When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

.......thanks Obama.

In President Obama’s last year in office, 2016, CBO’s*January report*(page 108),*March report*(page 13) and*August report*(page 68) reported a combined loss in ten-year revenue estimates of*$1,089 billion.* Overall, in the three years after President Obama’s 2013 tax hike -- purportedly to address the deficit, CBO’s twelve revisions report slower growth triggering a staggering $3.1 trillion in ten-year revenue losses through the end of his term.

You thank him

I will thank Trump

The CBO has issued two budget and economic reports after President Trump took office in January 2017.* In CBO’s June 2017 “Updated to the Budget and Economic Outlook”, page 19 reports that ten-year revenue estimates rose by $195 billion for “economic reasons”.** Then in CBO’s April 2018*“Budget and Economic Outlook”,*page 94 reports that ten-year revenue estimates rose by $1,088 billion for “economic reasons”.* This is the largest jump in revenues for economic reasons ever reported by CBO, and results from, in CBO’s words, their “current projections suggest[ing] a stronger economic outlook than those that the agency published in June 2017”.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You thank him

I will thank Trump

You know, if you deregulated everything, the economy would grow exponentially. It's all the pesky treehuggers that insist on regulation.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

You know, if you deregulated everything, the economy would grow exponentially. It's all the pesky treehuggers that insist on regulation.

A little DDT and a few more 2nd gen nuclear plants in the right places would solve that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

You know, if you deregulated everything, the economy would grow exponentially. It's all the pesky treehuggers that insist on regulation.

Serious question mooby,

Do you agree with G1 that this economy's performance is to Obama's credit and Trump's economic policies have had no or minimal impact.

Or do you give Trumps policies credit for the numbers even if you disagree with the policies or think they are shortsighted

Or some other answer outside of those two.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Serious question mooby,

Do you agree with G1 that this economy's performance is to Obama's credit and Trump's economic policies have had no or minimal impact.

Or do you give Trumps policies credit for the numbers even if you disagree with the policies or think they are shortsighted

Or some other answer outside of those two.

I give Obama credit for digging us out of the post-GWB hole and setting the foundation, and I give Trump credit for continuing that. Where do I draw the line between Obama credit and Trump credit? I don't, because it's a dumb idea to try.

S/N while Trump deserves credit for continuing the growth of the economy, I wonder much more about the impact it's going to leave on the earth long after you and the baby boomer generation is gone. Aka, when my generation is your age and our kids will be the ones paying the price. Trade policies and the like can be changed once Trump is gone, if the current path we're on keeps trending the climate will only get worse from here.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I give Obama credit for digging us out of the post-GWB hole and setting the foundation, and I give Trump credit for continuing that. Where do I draw the line between Obama credit and Trump credit? I don't, because it's a dumb idea to try.

You say it's a dumb idea to try, but do you believe the growth that is occuring in GDP would have occurred under a continuation of Pres Obama's policies in a HRC presidency, or do you believe that the policies of Pres Trump created the regulatory and tax environment for higher growth.

S/N while Trump deserves credit for continuing the growth of the economy, I wonder much more about the impact it's going to leave on the earth long after you and the baby boomer generation is gone. Aka, when my generation is your age and our kids will be the ones paying the price. Trade policies and the like can be changed once Trump is gone, if the current path we're on keeps trending the climate will only get worse from here.

I am not a climate change denier, but I am most definitely a denier of policy driven on fears. We have lived for 50 years since they predicted we would run out of oil in 40 years. In 1000AD, the world's food supply was going to run out. etc etc.

The biggest thing global doomsayers ignore is human resourcefulness. Climate change is by its nature a slow process, even the doomsayer videos show changes occurring over 50-200 year timespans. Fact is, I'm far more worried about the political viability of the US constitution over the next 100 years and the country our kids and grandkids will live in, than sea levels shrinking the total land mass by some percentage. We may have to have different constructions, and we may have to find new ways to deal with disease, but humans have changed and survived in the harshest, to the softest climates. We are looking at populating a barren planet of Mars. We aren't recreating Venus, Mars, or Jupiter type environments, and with every leap in technology and creativity, we get closer to being more planet friendly, and as that technology spreads to places like India and China we have a better chance of saving the planet then any false security that accords like the Paris accord presented.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You say it's a dumb idea to try, but do you believe the growth that is occuring in GDP would have occurred under a continuation of Pres Obama's policies in a HRC presidency, or do you believe that the policies of Pres Trump created the regulatory and tax environment for higher growth.

I do believe the growth would've continued, but to the extent it has under Trump? Doubtful. Trump's entire economic policy seems to be "is profit being held back by gov't policy? Yes? Then eliminate the policy." There hasn't been a single regulation, bill, anything that Obama signed where he said "hey you know what, this is a good move, let's leave that alone."

I am not a climate change denier, but I am most definitely a denier of policy driven on fears. We have lived for 50 years since they predicted we would run out of oil in 40 years. In 1000AD, the world's food supply was going to run out. etc etc.

The biggest thing global doomsayers ignore is human resourcefulness. Climate change is by its nature a slow process, even the doomsayer videos show changes occurring over 50-200 year timespans. Fact is, I'm far more worried about the political viability of the US constitution over the next 100 years and the country our kids and grandkids will live in, than sea levels shrinking the total land mass by some percentage. We may have to have different constructions, and we may have to find new ways to deal with disease, but humans have changed and survived in the harshest, to the softest climates. We are looking at populating a barren planet of Mars. We aren't recreating Venus, Mars, or Jupiter type environments, and with every leap in technology and creativity, we get closer to being more planet friendly, and as that technology spreads to places like India and China we have a better chance of saving the planet then any false security that accords like the Paris accord presented.

I don't have a lot of time, so I'll leave it at this. When 97% of scientists that aren't funded by corporations who have a vested interest in denying climate change agree that this is a man made problem, it's good enough for me. When we experience record setting temperatures every year and natural disasters that seem to get worse and worse every year, that's good enough for me. I know I know, they call it global warming yet somehow it still snows every winter.

50 years from now you'll be dead, and I'll be in my twilight years, and your grandkids/my kids will be footing the bill for the "profit > everything" lifestyle of today. Will they come up with a solution? Absolutely. Will it fix everything? Very much left to be desired.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I do believe the growth would've continued, but to the extent it has under Trump? Doubtful. Trump's entire economic policy seems to be "is profit being held back by gov't policy? Yes? Then eliminate the policy." There hasn't been a single regulation, bill, anything that Obama signed where he said "hey you know what, this is a good move, let's leave that alone."



I don't have a lot of time, so I'll leave it at this. When 97% of scientists that aren't funded by corporations who have a vested interest in denying climate change agree that this is a man made problem, it's good enough for me. When we experience record setting temperatures every year and natural disasters that seem to get worse and worse every year, that's good enough for me. I know I know, they call it global warming yet somehow it still snows every winter.

50 years from now you'll be dead, and I'll be in my twilight years, and your grandkids/my kids will be footing the bill for the "profit > everything" lifestyle of today. Will they come up with a solution? Absolutely. Will it fix everything? Very much left to be desired.

Like I said, it's far more likely that the US Constitution is dead in 100 years, then an unsustainable planet exists. I don't argue the climate changes, I argue that the extent the US or any individual person (ie epa fuel standards from 25 to 30) are going to tip the scale is far overblown. We run computer simulations to the Nth degree but still can't tell if a hurricane is going to go to the east or west of the Florida panhandle. Maybe if the old geezers on the western coast had driven more Priuses the hurricane would have stayed East (not).

If environmentalists really wanted to move off of carbon, we would be have better gen 4 nuclear plants on a fast pace for approval, but fact is they have hit upon an ultimate ponzi scheme (any good ponzi scheme has facts in it). How can you argue with some who claims the end of the world is near (unless he/she claims it's based on religious beliefs of course)>