Panthers Pre game thread

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Man I really thought that was our yr

Well it could have been if not for a dumbass head coach letting RG3 play in that game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Man I really thought that was our yr

I wish u could have been there for the 80’s my brother. U r a true fan and deserve it. One of these days we will regain the glory. U got a better chance of outliving Dick Snyder than me!

[rocnrik]

I hear you punch but this is a lousy division .. 9-7 wins it maybe 8-8 .. so if there is any hope of a positive outcome we are in the right division ! We could lose 6 more and still win division ! We all know that this will be it for gruden either coach it up and get in the playoffs or your gone so we can be entertained by that scenario. Truth is this is a middle of league team has been for a long time and that’s a frustrating place to be.. I could actually see us getting to playoffs and gruden let go .. but until this team gets a true football GM we are gonna be the 7 to 9 win team .

[Schneed10]

I was so optimistic as the season started but I'm definitely losing faith in Gruden's ability to organize a coaching hierarchy that ensures high performance.

It would be one thing if we went toe to toe with the Saints and just lost because we got beat by a good QB. But we have idiots in the secondary blowing coverages. Mental mistakes, whether due to lack of communication or due to not knowing responsibilities or due to lack of discipline, they all fall on the head coach. It's a sign that Gruden's coaching staff either isn't handling the personalities, aren't setting the appropriate tone or driving accountability, or aren't communicating well enough with the players. I'm not sure which of those is the problem, but the Saints game was a sure sign that something is afoul with the coaching.

I agree I don't think we finish better than 8-8 and Gruden will be fired at season's end. I don't even care if we win this game or not because I know where the season's headed.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I was so optimistic as the season started but I'm definitely losing faith in Gruden's ability to organize a coaching hierarchy that ensures high performance.

It would be one thing if we went toe to toe with the Saints and just lost because we got beat by a good QB. But we have idiots in the secondary blowing coverages. Mental mistakes, whether due to lack of communication or due to not knowing responsibilities or due to lack of discipline, they all fall on the head coach. It's a sign that Gruden's coaching staff either isn't handling the personalities, aren't setting the appropriate tone or driving accountability, or aren't communicating well enough with the players. I'm not sure which of those is the problem, but the Saints game was a sure sign that something is afoul with the coaching.

I agree I don't think we finish better than 8-8 and Gruden will be fired at season's end. I don't even care if we win this game or not because I know where the season's headed.

I think Jay is too laid back, he's a players coach and it reflects on the field. Unfortunately you dont see many Old school coaches anymore. When you have guys saying "practice is too easy" that is a problem. Idk who we would go out and replace him with but something needs to change now if he wants to keep his job. IMO nothing less than 9-7 should keep him around.

[Meks]

god please may this team just eclipse 7 wins so i can win some money on what i thought was a decent bet

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Meks

god please may this team just eclipse 7 wins so i can win some money on what i thought was a decent bet

Yes please.

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[skinsfaninok]

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-...ost/_/id/37356

Well it cant get any worse. He was really off Monday

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm not worried about Alex. He has a history of regular season success.

That being said, run the ball 20+ times every game, I don't care of we're only averaging 1 yard a carry. Run the fucking ball Gruden. That's how you set up an identity. Alex and this offense plays best when balanced. We're not the Saints, don't call the game like we are.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'm not worried about Alex. He has a history of regular season success.

That being said, run the ball 20+ times every game, I don't care of we're only averaging 1 yard a carry. Run the fucking ball Gruden. That's how you set up an identity. Alex and this offense plays best when balanced. We're not the Saints, don't call the game like we are.

What happens when it's 2nd and 11? It's easy to say "run the ball!" We're not the Saints but we're also not the 91 Redskins. We aren't good enough to just show up and run people over. We have to have balance. We have to get the ball to Reed who has been a non factor.

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What happens when it's 2nd and 11? It's easy to say "run the ball!" We're not the Saints but we're also not the 91 Redskins. We aren't good enough to just show up and run people over. We have to have balance. We have to get the ball to Reed who has been a non factor.

Exactly this.

If I recall correctly the Skins had called the most run plays of ANY team in the NFL going into Monday Night..?

I think our biggest problem is that we don't have any WR's that scare anybody. Our entire offense is run out of the backfield/slot with Peterson, Reed, Crowder and Thompson. With 1 or 2 balls going outside to Richardson.

We really need Doctson to impose some sort of threat out wide. Lets hope he can start getting some targets.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sevier2

We really need Doctson to impose some sort of threat out wide. Lets hope he can start getting some targets.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What happens when it's 2nd and 11? It's easy to say "run the ball!" We're not the Saints but we're also not the 91 Redskins. We aren't good enough to just show up and run people over. We have to have balance. We have to get the ball to Reed who has been a non factor.

1st down play calling in general has been a huge issue. By hook or crook we need to find better ways to improve our per play average on 1st down. 2nd and 4, the whole playbook is open. 2nd and 8, its typically going to be a pass, especially with Gruden.

Balance in the run pass and balance on what downs we do them would be nice. Gruden just gives up on the run too easily.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

1st down play calling in general has been a huge issue. By hook or crook we need to find better ways to improve our per play average on 1st down. 2nd and 4, the whole playbook is open. 2nd and 8, its typically going to be a pass, especially with Gruden.

Balance in the run pass and balance on what downs we do them would be nice. Gruden just gives up on the run too easily.

Agree whole heartedly with your 1st point.

Predictable play calling play calling on 1st down has been an issue for a while now.

On Cooley's old, he would lament Gruden sticking with the "duo" run play over and over despite the lack of success.

So sick of it.

With regard to your second point, I like the idea of balance in the abstract because balance represents the notion you mention, being able to draw from the entire playbook.

I like, however, the how the patriots are willing to completely disregard the notion of balance for the sake of balance.

They find a defense's weakness and exploit it over and over until the D adjusts.

Whether it's running 4 draws in a row or 5 short in routes in a row, they try to step on the D's neck.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Agree whole heartedly with your 1st point.

Predictable play calling play calling on 1st down has been an issue for a while now.

On Cooley's old, he would lament Gruden sticking with the "duo" run play over and over despite the lack of success.

So sick of it.

With regard to your second point, I like the idea of balance in the abstract because balance represents the notion you mention, being able to draw from the entire playbook.

I like, however, the how the patriots are willing to completely disregard the notion of balance for the sake of balance.

They find a defense's weakness and exploit it over and over until the D adjusts.

Whether it's running 4 draws in a row or 5 short in routes in a row, they try to step on the D's neck.

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I like a lot of things the Patriots do, those bastards. If we could run the same play(s) over and over with success, I'd love it, but we haven't proven we can do that. I'm not sure what our go to play or type play even is. I miss when it was letting Jordan Reed dominate (when actually playing).