Trade Deadline Moves

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As I was saying:


https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/s...53492201480194

Don't know if this is a reliable feed or a Russian bot, but it is certainly consistent with Jon Gruden's plan so far. <sarcasm font on> Oakland GM McKenzie: "This is just fine."

Live look at Reggie McKenzie:

[MTK]

A 1st for Cooper is a huge win by the Raiders and just makes Dallas look dumb. JJ is getting roasted on Twitter.

[CRedskinsRule]

I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell

You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I look at those lists (particularly recent) and see these guys:
Geron Christian (too early for judgement)
Fabian Monreau - starter
Kendall Fuller -starter
Matt Jones miss
Morgan Moses - starter
Spencer Long -still in league
Jordan Reed -starter
2014: Murphy still in league
2015: Preston Smith starter
2016: Pussy ass bitch IR yeah he is
2017: Anderson starter
2018: Guice IR, too early to tell

You guys are crazy if you think, in general, other gm's are far exceeding our FO in terms of draft picks.

This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.

Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.

Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.

Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.

CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.

I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jamf

This team has not benefited from the draft like the top half of the league.
Half those players you listed aren't even on our roster right now.

Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.

Anderson isn't a starter. I would like to see more of him and he is improving but he isn't a starter. also most of us wanted Kamara with that pick.

Bruce has talked about building through the draft and taking care of our own players. Well... out of his 70+ players drafted while he's been here, only 12 or 13 are currently contributing to the team.

CRed, I'm not letting this one go.
Our drafts suck and I'm willing to have a televised deathmatch over this. We can go pick by pick grading players and what they are currently doing for THIS team.

I'll concede that this years draft looks good if you acknowledge that BA made a monumental screw up by letting Dallas have Pro-Bowler Demarcus Lawrence.

I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.

You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.

You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back

[jamf]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick or cooper isnt worth next years number one or that dak isnt a franchise. Or that every team hits and misses on picks.

You dismiss quality starters on this current team and pine for that one or two special players that 31 other gms passed atleast once on. Our FO has a solid foundation on this team and effectively moves around during the draft to gain more picks and players they want. Our defensive depth is particularly good, consider we let 2 quality corners go one in a trade and one to avoid the big payday he wanted and we plugged young rookie talent in with little or no dropoff.

You may not like the players but out of those two lists and excluding ones from before BA FO they are all starter quality players other then one headcase and one running back

If you want to go that route then Brandon Scherff isn't worth a 5th overall since he is a Guard. Elliot has produced big time for Dallas(Thankfully not on sunday!) and production not hype is all that matters in the end and for the record, i'm glad we have Scherff.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jamf

If you want to go that route then Brandon Scherff isn't worth a 5th overall since he is a Guard. Elliot has produced big time for Dallas(Thankfully not on sunday!) and production not hype is all that matters in the end and for the record, i'm glad we have Scherff.

Scherff is a perennial All Pro, who will be a staple on the Skins for 10+years barring a bad turn. Elliot missed how many games last year, and as a RB will likely not be on the Cowboys by year 8. (Maybe not even 2nd contract given they got rid of DeMarco Murray when his came due)

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will concede that if you concede either Elliot wasnt worth the 4th overall pick

Comparing the first 2 full seasons of each player.....Zeke and AD.
Numbers are pretty close. Peterson played 30 games in his first 2 years. Zeke 25 games due to suspension.

In 30 games AD has 3100 yds. Zeke has 2614 in 25 games.
Total TDs over 2 years. AD = 23 Zeke = 25 (in 5 fewer games)

Saying Elliot was not worthy of the #4 pick, is like saying AD was not worthy of his #7.

So Jalen Ramsey was sitting there for Dallas at #4, do you think he is more worthy of that #4?

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by jamf

Preston Smith probably won't be a starter in the NFL next year unless the Redskins don't find a replacement.

Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Did you forget what Trent Murphy got in FA?

by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

by their logic, if we didn't keep him it doesn't matter, and if the player wasn't so great that we were willing to pay any price for a second contract for a 2nd or 3rd rounder than the FO missed on that pick.

I am not going back to go through a pick by pick analysis of every draft after the disaster that was 2012. With that said, however, the team seems to me to be creating a solid base of young players and, when the time for 2nd contracts come around, picking and choosing their players. We let Long, Breeland, and Murphy walk, but kept Moses and extended Dunbar. We have also been proactive in keeping certain players - the aforementioned Dunbar, C. Thomas, and Reed were all extended at reasonable costs.

[A note about Anderson for the haters, in limited snaps against Dallas, he had a sack, solo tackle, and 2 QB hits. While not a world-beater, he does seem to be trending up.]

Our drafts since 2013 have landed us several quality players beyond the first three rounds (Ioaniddas, Nicholson, Roullier, Crowder).

True, in some cases, hindsight has demonstrated that better players were available at each of our selections. However, in many cases, I suspect the reverse was just as true.

Since 2013, we have drafted solidly if not spectacularly. Just an opinion, feel free to disprove me through a pick by pick analysis that isn't JUST based on hindsight.

[CRedskinsRule]

Sounds like Cowboys fans aren't very happy, but seems like this gives them a threat receiver they didn't have. His drops are a concern, but it's a risk/reward move.

Of course, I don't know what receivers are coming out in the draft, but we all know there are not many sure fire hits on WR's in the draft.

[MTK]

Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by MTK

Preston Smith wouldn’t start elsewhere?? Is this for real?

Yeah that threw me off as well...

P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by sevier2

Yeah that threw me off as well...

P. Smith will most definitely be a starter next year, wherever he is, and most likely a highly paid one.

Really, Smith disappears in about half of the games.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...S/SmitPr00.htm