When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cnn can fuck off for blaming the president for this. It’s pathetic

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

I agree with this .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

So does the same apply to Bernie Sanders and his follower who shot a republican congressman and had a list of others?

But what amazes me with this, Kavanaugh, even the Saudi situation is the fact that things like evidence, proof of specific individual intent, and even basic waiting for facts, seems to be thrown out of the liberal media's legal lexicon.

When the fbi finds the person or people who did this then we can identify their intent. In my opinion, and this doesnt mean i approve in any way, if a far right idiot or far left idiot intended for these things to cause real harm then they likely would have know how to build them. More likely this was really pure political theatrical terrorism - meaning the intent was not the explosions themselves as much as the terror that they have created and the media backlash 2 weeks before an important election.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So does the same apply to Bernie Sanders and his follower who shot a republican congressman and had a list of others?

But what amazes me with this, Kavanaugh, even the Saudi situation is the fact that things like evidence, proof of specific individual intent, and even basic waiting for facts, seems to be thrown out of the liberal media's legal lexicon.

When the fbi finds the person or people who did this then we can identify their intent. In my opinion, and this doesnt mean i approve in any way, if a far right idiot or far left idiot intended for these things to cause real harm then they likely would have know how to build them. More likely this was really pure political theatrical terrorism - meaning the intent was not the explosions themselves as much as the terror that they have created and the media backlash 2 weeks before an important election.

Sure, if you can find evidence of Bernie Sanders displaying a cavalier attitude about violence towards his political opponents, I'd put some blame on him too.

The reason it's important for politicians to have tact is because every major politician is going to have fanatics that will take everything they say to heart.

I agree with your 2nd bolded statement too. Whoever did this had to know there's no way they would get through to their targets.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Sure, if you can find evidence of Bernie Sanders displaying a cavalier attitude about violence towards his political opponents, I'd put some blame on him too.

The reason it's important for politicians to have tact is because every major politician is going to have fanatics that will take everything they say to heart.

I agree with your 2nd bolded statement too. Whoever did this had to know there's no way they would get through to their targets.

So:
Maxine Waters - "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere,"

HRC - “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about,”

Holder - ‘When they go low, we kick them. That’s what this new Democratic Party is about.'


I'm not holding Trump blameless, but this is so much more than Trump, it's an entire liberal establishment that has seen it's power base - in governmental structures (governors, Congress, Presidency, and now the SC) all stripped away. Honestly, conservatives mostly may get beat up, but unless this was a one off whacko (and it might have been), the liberal base is far more fired up from their leaders to do crazy/violent stunts. At the height of the Obama presidency, when the country leadership was riling it up to the point of the tea party forming or other splinter factions, you didn't see the hostile mobs and violence like we have seen from the anti-trumpers. Conservatives worked out through elections, and they have a confidence in elections. Liberals have no reason to have confidence in elections, they have lost repeatedly, and they have seen 2 presidential losses even as popular votes were in their favor. They have witnessed the SC uphold one of those republican elections, and now they even feel they lost another voice in that body.

I don't know who sent those packages, what I know is that the person(s) who sent it is responsible for those horrendous acts (and they were horrendous whether the intent was to do actual harm, or political terror). That person should be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent, and any conspirators should be as well. But for society to heal, all sides need to put down the word knives, and let elections be where our battles are fought.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So:
Maxine Waters - "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere,"

HRC - “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about,”

Holder - ‘When they go low, we kick them. That’s what this new Democratic Party is about.'


I'm not holding Trump blameless, but this is so much more than Trump, it's an entire liberal establishment that has seen it's power base - in governmental structures (governors, Congress, Presidency, and now the SC) all stripped away. Honestly, conservatives mostly may get beat up, but unless this was a one off whacko (and it might have been), the liberal base is far more fired up from their leaders to do crazy/violent stunts. At the height of the Obama presidency, when the country leadership was riling it up to the point of the tea party forming or other splinter factions, you didn't see the hostile mobs and violence like we have seen from the anti-trumpers. Conservatives worked out through elections, and they have a confidence in elections. Liberals have no reason to have confidence in elections, they have lost repeatedly, and they have seen 2 presidential losses even as popular votes were in their favor. They have witnessed the SC uphold one of those republican elections, and now they even feel they lost another voice in that body.

I don't know who sent those packages, what I know is that the person(s) who sent it is responsible for those horrendous acts (and they were horrendous whether the intent was to do actual harm, or political terror). That person should be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent, and any conspirators should be as well. But for society to heal, all sides need to put down the word knives, and let elections be where our battles are fought.

Couldnt agree more with everything you said.This Country seems like it's headed for a civil war over politics,I'm 56 and I've never seen the Country so divided.I find myself despising some of my friends on Facebook because of their political views and their post.So much misinformation and untruths posted by both sides.
It used to be{at least to me}you didnt know your friends political views and you didnt really give a shit,now I know how everyone thinks.
Frankly I think social media is mostly to blame for dividing the country,thats my take on it anyway.Before Facebook I didnt know anybodys political beliefs except for a few coworkers and maybe a couple friends,now I know everyones and like I said I find myself despising some of my friends.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Couldnt agree more with everything you said.This Country seems like it's headed for a civil war over politics,I'm 56 and I've never seen the Country so divided.I find myself despising some of my friends on Facebook because of their political views and their post.So much misinformation and untruths posted by both sides.
It used to be{at least to me}you didnt know your friends political views and you didnt really give a shit,now I know how everyone thinks.
Frankly I think social media is mostly to blame for dividing the country,thats my take on it anyway.Before Facebook I didnt know anybodys political beliefs except for a few coworkers and maybe a couple friends,now I know everyones and like I said I find myself despising some of my friends.

Social media is making it worse...but I don’t despise anyone for their view.

Take G1 for example, he is opposed to everything I say which is fine. But I don’t despise him for that, but I do despise him for being a Giants fan.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

If these were sent to GOP, CNN would blame the President as well. We all know that.

Story already written in their minds, hence the biased media and their political agenda.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If these were sent to GOP, CNN would blame the President as well. We all know that.

Story already written in their minds, hence the biased media and their political agenda.

The problem is that they weren't. I'm noticing a theme here, every time this shit happens you tend to talk about "well if the shoe was on the other foot... the media would do this." Only far left/far right media sells on "whatabout/what if" scenarios.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

The problem is that they weren't. I'm noticing a theme here, every time this shit happens you tend to talk about "well if the shoe was on the other foot... the media would do this." Only far left/far right media sells on "whatabout/what if" scenarios.

Why not try to look at everything from all sides? That's kinda the problem with this country...the refusal to see all sides of an issue. People just want the comfort of their bubble because its easier to be a sheep with everything nodding in agreement.


In order to think objectively I try to change perspective to put myself on the other side in order to see big picture. Its a strategy for sure because it will provide context, helps remove emotion and more importantly bias.

So yes, look at every side of an argument, try to understand perspective....it will help give context, it will make you more objective.

I aint mad at you...but yes, I def try to look at both sides. I see CNN certainly isn't doing this, hence the frustration with a large platform providing false narratives, cherry picking facts, giving no context, pointing fingers, AND most importantly calling itself a news organization while pissing all over the ethics of journalism.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Why not try to look at everything from all sides? That's kinda the problem with this country...the refusal to see all sides of an issue. People just want the comfort of their bubble because its easier to be a sheep with everything nodding in agreement.


In order to think objectively I try to change perspective to put myself on the other side in order to see big picture. Its a strategy for sure because it will provide context, helps remove emotion and more importantly bias.

So yes, look at every side of an argument, try to understand perspective....it will help give context, it will make you more objective.

I aint mad at you...but yes, I def try to look at both sides. I see CNN certainly isn't doing this, hence the frustration with a large platform providing false narratives, cherry picking facts, giving no context, pointing fingers, AND most importantly calling itself a news organization while pissing all over the ethics of journalism.

Chico , honest question. From your post's do you really believe that you look at everything from all (both) sides of an issue , do you honestly believe you are objective?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Why not try to look at everything from all sides? That's kinda the problem with this country...the refusal to see all sides of an issue. People just want the comfort of their bubble because its easier to be a sheep with everything nodding in agreement.


In order to think objectively I try to change perspective to put myself on the other side in order to see big picture. Its a strategy for sure because it will provide context, helps remove emotion and more importantly bias.

So yes, look at every side of an argument, try to understand perspective....it will help give context, it will make you more objective.

I aint mad at you...but yes, I def try to look at both sides. I see CNN certainly isn't doing this, hence the frustration with a large platform providing false narratives, cherry picking facts, giving no context, pointing fingers, AND most importantly calling itself a news organization while pissing all over the ethics of journalism.

Why don't you look at it from the perspective of the nut job? Aka, why would I send this? Where would my motivation to send these come from? Who are the major influences in my life that have led me to believe this is the best course of action?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Why don't you look at it from the perspective of the nut job? Aka, why would I send this? Where would my motivation to send these come from? Who are the major influences in my life that have led me to believe this is the best course of action?

You kinda answer why...but I would wait to find out who, how many, etc. I know its great jump to conclusions...again another principle of shit journalism, but it could be a group ie weathermen. But yes any criminal...we should always look at motivation...I’m certainly taking that into perspective.

But you already know my opinion that the media/social media who is making a ton of revenue in splintering this country in two is responsible for a majority of the political discourse in this country. Political figures such as Trump, Eric Holder, Maxine Waters, Cuomo, etc have embraced a combative tone. We've seen groups such as Proud Boys, Antifa, etc embrace violence with political thought....

Just this past week, NBC news asked Michelle Obama if going high was still the right thing to do? The media has 110% nurtured, encourage and celebrate it....more revenue.

But my statement before is right becuase the dude who shot up the gop...media blamed the president. So we knew the answer already.