When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
https://www.history.com/news/birthri...-united-states

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I will bring birthright discussion back here.

Here is a good link about it:
https://www.history.com/news/birthri...-united-states

I have long been in favor of far more relaxed immigration rules. I doubt I agree with the hardline conservatives or Trump on it, as the Statue of Liberty's poem has always rang true to me.

That said, I don't think it's fair to equate better/fairer/laxer rules with the issue of illegal immigrants. and by extension it's different when talking of children born to people here illegally versus those who have gone through the legal paths of citizenship. Both my mom and ex-wife came here via military marriages, and I know how much paperwork, time and legalities there were to both of those situations, so I can only imagine what it's like to wait years legally from these countries only to have the numbers allotted cut because of people who came without following the law.

It really is the world equivalent of cutting in line in the cafeteria. The solutions are more complex than more line monitors, but its also not as simple as just tearing down the doors of the cafeteria and allowing mobs to have general admission in.

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

I agree that we need to reform immigration, and I am closer to what you describe as the way it should be. I don't think we have ever had open borders, but truthfully the difference here is that there is a land connection to the border crossings. When coming by boat or across oceans, the journey had a self-limiting effect that immigration from the southern borders doesn't.

Still, we are a land of immigrants, and when properly enforced, we can be a land of immigrants again.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

My mother in law is also an immigrant and it is amazing how long she had to wait to be considered an American citizen. To me we clearly need immigration reform.

I know we will disagree philosophically with how to approach immigration to me I am fine going back to a time of open borders come to a border sign papers, pass a background check and quarantine and congratulations you are now a citizen. With that philosophy there would be no need to sneak across the border it would be easier to identify those that are criminals, we would be able to prevent the spread of emergent infectious diseases.

No way. Different world. Non starter and with globalization we would be a welfare state. No effing way ever