Winning

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Or maybe journalists could stop assuming evil intent and help our nation heal by looking to positive reasons ie nationalism vs globalism instead the halcyon cry of racism.

Maybe when nearly half the country sees it a way other than they do and they want to be seen as helpers not haters they can report the more likely/less sinister motives of the general base and not try to exacerbate the division.

All the main politicians today ON both sides and including Trump laid out places where the parties can and likely will work together, and after as divisive a race as we just had on both sides thats a great thing, maybe the press could have followed suit for a day or two. Maybe.

This whole nationalism debate reminds me of the porch monkey thing from Clerks 2. The problem is you are trying to rebrand nationalism as "putting America first" whereas nationalism has already been co-opted by actual racist organizations as their rallying cry. Come up with your own term that racists aren't using and you won't have this issue.

Also if you don't catch the reference, take a wild guess who you are in this scenario:

[Giantone]

LOL, I can see the next few years around here are going to be fun.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

This whole nationalism debate reminds me of the porch monkey thing from Clerks 2. The problem is you are trying to rebrand nationalism as "putting America first" whereas nationalism has already been co-opted by actual racist organizations as their rallying cry. Come up with your own term that racists aren't using and you won't have this issue.

Also if you don't catch the reference, take a wild guess who you are in this scenario:

Just because you want to change the meaning of the nationalism to what you want it to mean...doesn't actually change the meaning of the word.

You realize that right?

Some of the left thinking seems to be trending into "thought police" territory.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just because you want to change the meaning of the nationalism to what you want it to mean...doesn't actually change the meaning of the word.



You realize that right?



Some of the left thinking seems to be trending into "thought police" territory.

When it comes to Captain bigmouth yes. Stop acting like he does not use dog whistles to rally the racist part of his base because he needs their vote. Just stop. U r trending into “acting stupid” territory.
And are you actually lecturing us on changing the meaning of words? Didn’t u guys invent alternative facts?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

When it comes to Captain bigmouth yes. Stop acting like he does not use dog whistles to rally the racist part of his base because he needs their vote. Just stop. U r trending into “acting stupid” territory.
And are you actually lecturing us on changing the meaning of words? Didn’t u guys invent alternative facts?

This is what im talking about...we are in thought police territory.


Which is not surprising because in the age of social media people these days are allowed to take a tweet, post, comment, etc. and skew it, take it out of context, invent their own context, etc.

Critical thinking isn't a value of this medium. It also has allowed a bullying, mob mentality where personal freedom, freedom of speech is not valued.

Its very interesting...I find it ironic in many cases where those who rightfully call for the ending of discrimination would also call for the right to discriminate against thought/idea they disagree with. You want diversity, but not the diversity of ideas.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is what im talking about...we are in thought police territory.





Which is not surprising because in the age of social media people these days are allowed to take a tweet, post, comment, etc. and skew it, take it out of context, invent their own context, etc.



Critical thinking isn't a value of this medium. It also has allowed a bullying, mob mentality where personal freedom, freedom of speech is not valued.



Its very interesting...I find it ironic in many cases where those who rightfully call for the ending of discrimination would also call for the right to discriminate against thought/idea they disagree with. You want diversity, but not the diversity of ideas.

You mean freedom of speech like Say a journalist asking a question? Or is that where freedom of speech stops .... when we start to get to close to the truth? Gtfoh.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Just because you want to change the meaning of the nationalism to what you want it to mean...doesn't actually change the meaning of the word.

You realize that right?

Some of the left thinking seems to be trending into "thought police" territory.

I'm literally saying nationalism is most commonly thought of as a pc-alternative to white supremacy, and that's already what most people think of when they hear the term. You and Cred are the ones trying to turn "nationalism" into "pro-Americanism".

Your president said "I am a nationalist." His non-racist supporters hear "I am pro-America", his racist supporters hear "I support racism" and his non-supporters hear "I support racism."

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm literally saying nationalism is most commonly thought of as a pc-alternative to white supremacy, and that's already what most people think of when they hear the term. You and Cred are the ones trying to turn "nationalism" into "pro-Americanism".

Your president said "I am a nationalist." His non-racist supporters hear "I am pro-America", his racist supporters hear "I support racism" and his non-supporters hear "I support racism."

I'm so going to try to stop commenting after this post, I may just stop the warpath cuz the skins are just as disheartening as the political threads.

editing your last sentence to what is more accurate:
OUR president said "I am a nationalist." His non-racist supporters hear "I am pro-America", his racist supporters hear "I support racism" and his non-racist non-supporters hear "I am pro-America" , his racist non-supporters hear "I support racism."

People who want to see racism in every word is a large part of the ongoing issues this country has with racism.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm so going to try to stop commenting after this post, I may just stop the warpath cuz the skins are just as disheartening as the political threads.

editing your last sentence to what is more accurate:
OUR president said "I am a nationalist." His non-racist supporters hear "I am pro-America", his racist supporters hear "I support racism" and his non-racist non-supporters hear "I am pro-America" , his racist non-supporters hear "I support racism."

People who want to see racism in every word is a large part of the ongoing issues this country has with racism.

People who refuse to see the blatant "racism" on display by their own President is even a larger problem in America today.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm literally saying nationalism is most commonly thought of as a pc-alternative to white supremacy, and that's already what most people think of when they hear the term. You and Cred are the ones trying to turn "nationalism" into "pro-Americanism".

Your president said "I am a nationalist." His non-racist supporters hear "I am pro-America", his racist supporters hear "I support racism" and his non-supporters hear "I support racism."

Sure, just take what his says...rearrange, change the meaning of the words...create the context. Cut and paste to what you and others want to believe.

Just understand my ability to look at the facts, the meaning of words and call bullshit.

Its a free country.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sure, just take what his says...rearrange, change the meaning of the words...create the context. Cut and paste to what you and others want to believe.

Just understand my ability to look at the facts, the meaning of words and call bullshit.

Its a free country.

Absolutely but instead of all that ,just tell people you do as trump does, you believe in"alternative facts",you make it up as you go along.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sure, just take what his says...rearrange, change the meaning of the words...create the context. Cut and paste to what you and others want to believe.



Just understand my ability to look at the facts, the meaning of words and call bullshit.



Its a free country.

Understand Jim Acosta’s right to do the same. Your hypocrisy is amazing. Just amazing. And spare me the twisted muddled up reason why it doesn’t work both ways. Please.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sure, just take what his says...rearrange, change the meaning of the words...create the context. Cut and paste to what you and others want to believe.

Just understand my ability to look at the facts, the meaning of words and call bullshit.

Its a free country.

What do you believe being a nationalist is?

Follow up question: Have you ever thought about looking at it from another perspective? Let's say you're Richard Spencer, a known racist who has also declared himself a nationalist.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

What do you believe being a nationalist is?

Follow up question: Have you ever thought about looking at it from another perspective? Let's say you're Richard Spencer, a known racist who has also declared himself a nationalist.

A nationalist is someone who loves this country, who displays that patriotism at every opportunity, and believes this country is the best in the world. With this adoration, he would support this country and support policies that keep this country on that top stop...strong military, economic dominance, etc.


Are trying to bridge people like this...to this Spencer guy? I just don't see it. This is too me sounds like known hypocrite Sarah Silverman (yeah jerk off in front of me, that fine) when she said an old ex boyfriend scared her because he had a truck which he drove around with an American flag. The flag, patriotism, people who support the country...is this the enemy now?

I guess the backlash against "make America great" or "America first"....is I hate America, I dislike it, Its never great, etc....??? that's what people are doing now?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

A nationalist is someone who loves this country, who displays that patriotism at every opportunity, and believes this country is the best in the world. With this adoration, he would support this country and support policies that keep this country on that top stop...strong military, economic dominance, etc.


Are trying to bridge people like this...to this Spencer guy? I just don't see it. This is too me sounds like known hypocrite Sarah Silverman (yeah jerk off in front of me, that fine) when she said an old ex boyfriend scared her because he had a truck which he drove around with an American flag. The flag, patriotism, people who support the country...is this the enemy now?

I guess the backlash against "make America great" or "America first"....is I hate America, I dislike it, Its never great, etc....??? that's what people are doing now?

Re: the bolded, EXACTLY right.