Bucs Postgame

[JWsleep]

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme.

2. A couple of marginal holding calls really hurt us on O. Without them, I think we get another 7 points and this is feeling a bit better on O. We're not good at picking up 20 with this O.

3. Alex missed the dagger long throw. That sucked. But he hit some good throws, too. And no TOs. Is this surprising to ANYONE??? Who have you been watching, not just this year?

4. Specials have been just excellent this year! Way and Hopkins have been outstanding. We saw what a shitty kicker can do with the Bucs.

5. I'm not sold on Manusky, but the D is clearly better.

6. The O is what it is. Peterson is unearthly, but I worry about his durability. Alex does what he does and no more. Getting back the skill guys will help. BUt we need just a bit more out of old Alex if we're going to make the playoffs, I think.

7. I think we can get 3 more wins out of this. Houston will be tough--they're coming off a bye and they are healthy up front on D. And Watson is the real deal. We need a split with Philly, beat the gints, and jax, ten, or the roids on the road. Anymore is gravy. I had us at 8-8, so I'm certainly psyched.

8. Winning is so much fucking better than losing.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme.

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Exactly!

I really don't get why people complain about the yards given up, someone even said it was an "iffy performance" by the D...
With a starting CB out, 2 really unsure rookies rotating opposite Norman, and facing the top passing offense in the league, I say play "bend but don't break" D + don't get beat over the top + create turnovers is a smart way to game plan!

I give a lot of credit to Manusky for this game (game plan + getting over an awful outing + obviously asking for turnovers).

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Exactly!

I really don't get why people complain about the yards given up, someone even said it was an "iffy performance" by the D...
With a starting CB out, 2 really unsure rookies rotating opposite Norman, and facing the top passing offense in the league, I say play "bend but don't break" D + don't get beat over the top + create turnovers is a smart way to game plan!

I give a lot of credit to Manusky for this game (game plan + getting over an awful outing + obviously asking for turnovers).

I said iffy performance, were you not worried during the game? Tampa Bay and their mistakes helped somewhat, I know this D can dominate even with the backup CB's. I like Strohman and Johnson with more playing the better they will get.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I said iffy performance, were you not worried during the game? Tampa Bay and their mistakes helped somewhat, I know this D can dominate even with the backup CB's. I like Strohman and Johnson with more playing the better they will get.

I was worried because our offense struggled to move the ball and kept giving the ball back to the Bucs early in the game.

But 3 points, INT, PUNT, Missed FG, FG, Missed FG, INT, FUM, FUM, is not what I would call an iffy performance.

They were willing to give up the yards they gave up in order to not give up the points they didn't give up.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I was worried because our offense struggled to move the ball and kept giving the ball back to the Bucs early in the game.

But 3 points, INT, PUNT, Missed FG, FG, Missed FG, INT, FUM, FUM, is not what I would call an iffy performance.

They were willing to give up the yards they gave up in order to not give up the points they didn't give up.

So you are happy with the amount of miss tackles and making a journeyman QB look like Randall Cuningham.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

A couple of thoughts:

1. I think the game plan on defense was a good one and worked. Obviously, they gave up all underneath and played double deep in the back. Kept everything in front of them. It could have gone south if the Bucs didn't do stupid stuff, but the Bucs have been doing stupid stuff all year (or since game 3). So it's a good scheme.

2. A couple of marginal holding calls really hurt us on O. Without them, I think we get another 7 points and this is feeling a bit better on O. We're not good at picking up 20 with this O.

3. Alex missed the dagger long throw. That sucked. But he hit some good throws, too. And no TOs. Is this surprising to ANYONE??? Who have you been watching, not just this year?

4. Specials have been just excellent this year! Way and Hopkins have been outstanding. We saw what a shitty kicker can do with the Bucs.

5. I'm not sold on Manusky, but the D is clearly better.

6. The O is what it is. Peterson is unearthly, but I worry about his durability. Alex does what he does and no more. Getting back the skill guys will help. BUt we need just a bit more out of old Alex if we're going to make the playoffs, I think.

7. I think we can get 3 more wins out of this. Houston will be tough--they're coming off a bye and they are healthy up front on D. And Watson is the real deal. We need a split with Philly, beat the gints, and jax, ten, or the roids on the road. Anymore is gravy. I had us at 8-8, so I'm certainly psyched.

8. Winning is so much fucking better than losing.

Alex Smith looked horrible. This man is the worse qb I've seen in a Redskins uniform since Mark Brunell's first season as a starter.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by httr198020

Alex Smith looked horrible. This man is the worse qb I've seen in a Redskins uniform since Mark Brunell's first season as a starter.

lmao - lets try to keep the outlandish accusations to a minimum.... there were SEVERAL horrid, just absolutely horrid, qbs that we have fielded as starters since Brunell.

[skinsfaninok]

Norman was targeted 3 times yesterday.

0 Catches

1INT.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Norman was targeted 3 times yesterday.

0 Catches

1INT.

And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.

Not many guys can shut down DHOP. Going to need Q back this week

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And some grabbing that he got away with. let's see what he does against Hopkins.

Listen, if he star covers Hopkins he's going to give away some catches... like everybody in the league.
Nobody can completely shut down that guy. But Norman is having a solid season, kept Mike Evans in check, played well against Julio Jones (minus the ugly PI).

He's not crazy fast so sometimes he'll get beat, but since the Saints game he's been playing well, not sure I get all the skepticism about him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Don't get me mixed in with being pissed off after a win, but without turnovers (and turnovers come in bunches) we don't win. You can't really count on turnovers every game to win. I mean with one less turnover, this game might have been extremely different.

Run defense played pretty well overall, but our zone couldn't have been designed to just let them march up and down the field at will.

Again, GREAT win, love it, but I can't pretend the pass defense played great. Bucs have one hell of a passing game and Fitz just slings that shit around, but it just seemed like no one was even in the vicinity of an open receiver half the time.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Don't get me mixed in with being pissed off after a win, but without turnovers (and turnovers come in bunches) we don't win. You can't really count on turnovers every game to win. I mean with one less turnover, this game might have been extremely different.

Run defense played pretty well overall, but our zone couldn't have been designed to just let them march up and down the field at will.

Again, GREAT win, love it, but I can't pretend the pass defense played great. Bucs have one hell of a passing game and Fitz just slings that shit around, but it just seemed like no one was even in the vicinity of an open receiver half the time.

Nobody here is pissed off about a win! But apparently on this site being a realist and pointing out things that can be better makes you unhappy and pissed about a win.BUT,I couldnt agree more with everything else you said
Of course being 6-3 and in first place is great,we are all thankful for that,it's a lot better than being the Giants thats for sure,but that doesnt mean there isnt any room for constructive criticism

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I REALLLLY wish the Texans didn't get Thomas, otherwise I'd say have Norman just check Hopkins the whole game and we'd be good defensively. This one reminds me a lot of the Cardinals game without David Johnson. One REALLY elite WR and one pretty good one. My biggest concern is turnovers on offense.

Hope the new linemen eat their Wheaties that day because they're gonna' have to play out of the minds to keep Smith upright from Watt. I was more than pleasantly surprised how the new guys looked, so I have some hope.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I REALLLLY wish the Texans didn't get Thomas, otherwise I'd say have Norman just check Hopkins the whole game and we'd be good defensively. This one reminds me a lot of the Cardinals game without David Johnson. One REALLY elite WR and one pretty good one. My biggest concern is turnovers on offense.

Hope the new linemen eat their Wheaties that day because they're gonna' have to play out of the minds to keep Smith upright from Watt. I was more than pleasantly surprised how the new guys looked, so I have some hope.

I felt the offensive line did a heck of a job. I'm hoping Gruden moves Smith out of the pocket a little more. I also hope they use a little more R-O, and a few of those hand offs to the motion man. That play seems to do nicely against an aggressive defensive front. Maybe a little razzle dazzle play to get the offense going. Joe Gibbs used to do this all the time when it seemed like it was tough getting offensive production. He'd do a little flea-flicker, reverse play or wide receiver pass option which always seemed to get things going. Those plays are often designed to buy a little more time for receivers to get open down field, and we need some more chunk plays.

We just have to keep in mind that all we need to do is score first, whether a TD, field goal, or safety, and we'll win the game, right? We've never lost a lead! :-)