Bucs Postgame

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Keim's observations:

Thoughts and observations after the Washington Redskins16-3 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers:

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7. It was occasionally maddening to see how much cushion the Redskins’ corners gave Tampa Bay, especially vs. DeSean Jackson. Except that there was a method to this apparent madness. And it’s simple: The Redskins did not want to give up plays over the top. During the week, some Redskins corners shrugged off Jackson catching a nine-yard hitch route, knowing that might move the chains – but it wouldn’t change the game. Indeed, Jackson’s longest catch was for 24 yards. But five Bucs receivers caught passes that went 20 or more yards – but none went for more than 29. That became part of the reason they won. Linebacker Zach Brown – obviously not covering receivers, but well aware of the plan -- said, “We had to make sure we stayed on top of it and kept the ball in front of us.”

8. The Redskins also were confident that Ryan Fitzpatrick would throw them the ball on occasion. It’s not even that he forces throws, it’s that he makes bad ones – like the one that Norman intercepted at the goal line. As Brown said, the running back was running a corner route. “That’s not the best person to throw a seven-route to,” he said. The Redskins counted on that from Fitzpatrick and he delivered. But on the Greg Stroman pick, it was a route the Bucs had run a few times. Stroman said he “just read the receiver. I saw him stemming out and ready to break in and I just drove on it.” Norman said, “the rookie was kind of having himself a long day. He saw that play and they kept coming to him and finally on the third or fourth one he made they pay. Made them pay in a big way.”

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THERE! You have it ! That. Was. The . Plan !

Hats off to Manusky, take your 500 yards, we're not giving you more than 10 points, and we're winning the game!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

THERE! You have it ! That. Was. The . Plan !

Hats off to Manusky, take your 500 yards, we're not giving you more than 10 points, and we're winning the game!

Don't get beat deep and give Fitzpatrick enough rope and he'll eventually hang himself.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by MTK

Don't get beat deep and give Fitzpatrick enough rope and he'll eventually hang himself.

Exactly. That was Part I of the plan. Part II of the plan was to not turn the ball over ourselves. The Plan was sound and it worked!

This game was actually very well planned by the coaching staff and well executed, for the most part, by the players. It was an Old School Redskins win. George Allen would have been very proud.

The Redskins won a lot of games under George Allen and Allen drove me crazy with his conservative offense during most of them - all the way to the Super Bowl!

Look, the Head Coach needs to be able to assess his team's strengths and weaknesses and find a way to win with the personnel he has to work with. Jay Gruden is doing just that. Get used to the idea that we'll be leaning on our defense and winning ugly.

I posted here that, at this point in his tenure, Jay Gruden should be judged only by wins and losses. To be fair, i need to stick to that criteria in my own mind. So, by my own standard, Jay Gruden is doing a great job so far this season.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Exactly. That was Part I of the plan. Part II of the plan was to not turn the ball over ourselves. The Plan was sound and it worked!

This game was actually very well planned by the coaching staff and well executed, for the most part, by the players. It was an Old School Redskins win. George Allen would have been very proud.

The Redskins won a lot of games under George Allen and Allen drove me crazy with his conservative offense during most of them - all the way to the Super Bowl!

Look, the Head Coach needs to be able to assess his team's strengths and weaknesses and find a way to win with the personnel he has to work with. Jay Gruden is doing just that. Get used to the idea that we'll be leaning on our defense and winning ugly.

I posted here that, at this point in his tenure, Jay Gruden should be judged only by wins and losses. To be fair, i need to stick to that criteria in my own mind. So, by my own standard, Jay Gruden is doing a great job so far this season.

Couldn't agree more my friend!

Only thing that I, knowledgable-wanna-be-fan, think Jay could/should do more is call more short quick passing game and TE/WR screens. It was working well early in the game against the Giants and we don't see it often enough IMO.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Couldn't agree more my friend!

Only thing that I, knowledgable-wanna-be-fan, think Jay could/should do more is call more short quick passing game and TE/WR screens. It was working well early in the game against the Giants and we don't see it often enough IMO.

Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by httr198020

Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.

What u talking bout Willis? The Redskins D is the best it’s been since probably the early 90’s, they are young and need to learn to be consistent. Offense is pretty damn good (one of the best OL’s before the injuries). RB where’s Guice? Out for the year, AP doing a solid job. I would like to see AP, Bibbs and CT with a 123 punch. My gripe has been inconsistency and bad tackling, those can be fixed. Did you forget the Zorn/Spurrier years? Those were shitty teams.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by httr198020

Jay Gruden had an explosive offense. He blew that up in favor of his new shitty offense with the new shitty qb that he wanted. Since he's been here this team has had a below average running game. I haven't seen not one thing Jay Gruden has done that warrants giving him any credit. Don't let the 6-3 record fool you. This is not a good football team. Jay Gruden is not a good coach.

Not saying he is Joe Gibb but right now he's winning with what he has...

Gosh I swear some of you deserve to be sent back to 2010 and watch Rex Grossman start after Donovan F'nin McNabb was benched and we could not run the ball and we had like 3 players who could play proper defense (Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall)... THAT was some great management and coaching right ?

Some of you act like we just had an area of greatness and now we're stuck with a mediocre coach...
Truth is we are slowly but steadily crawling out of an area of awfulness with an average coach who could have gone 3 years without a losing record minus last year's injury bug.

We get it, Jay is average, and if we have a losing record he should be gone. I agree with that. I do.

But if we win the division and a playoff game (and he shouldn't keep his job with less than that), no matter how ""ugly"" it is, ask yourself who's going to come here after he's gone ? Who's going to want the job in DC if winning gets you fired ?

[SFREDSKIN]

For HTTR198020:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...18-draft-class

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Not saying he is Joe Gibb but right now he's winning with what he has...

Gosh I swear some of you deserve to be sent back to 2010 and watch Rex Grossman start after Donovan F'nin McNabb was benched and we could not run the ball and we had like 3 players who could play proper defense (Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall)... THAT was some great management and coaching right ?

Some of you act like we just had an area of greatness and now we're stuck with a mediocre coach...
Truth is we are slowly but steadily crawling out of an area of awfulness with an average coach who could have gone 3 years without a losing record minus last year's injury bug.

We get it, Jay is average, and if we have a losing record he should be gone. I agree with that. I do.

But if we win the division and a playoff game (and he shouldn't keep his job with less than that), no matter how ""ugly"" it is, ask yourself who's going to come here after he's gone ? Who's going to want the job in DC if winning gets you fired ?

Got to disagree. I think winning the division should warrant keeping his job. We have not had a coach that has won two divisional titles since Joe Gibbs won his 5th in 1991. I don't know if you extend him beyond his 2020 contract, I would wait one more year, but I wouldn't fire him.