Should Gruden be fired ?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Smith retiring before jun 1st would kill our cap

I'm. Hoping he retires after that

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[skinsfan69]

Is there a Cousins thread? He seems to be talked about in almost every thread...lol. We should just start a thread for Current & Ex Redskins QB's... Alex, Colt Cousins, RG3, Campbell...

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Is there a Cousins thread? He seems to be talked about in almost every thread...lol. We should just start a thread for Current & Ex Redskins QB's... Alex, Colt Cousins, RG3, Campbell...

The silver lining to the Kirk cloud is RG3 is fading a bit.

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[rocnrik]

You guys all seem very knowledgeable about football , you throw stats around and you know all the players strengths and weaknesses.. what I don’t get is I dont know jack about football and yet as much as I wanted them to be good i knew they would fail ... I just don’t believe that the team has leaders .. they don’t seem to have a vision or a sence of destiny.. this team is stuck in mediocrity.. it really does seem we are cursed although I don’t believe in all that.. I just don’t see how this team will get over the hump in the next 2 years .. is there any light at end of tunnel...

[Chief X_Phackter]

No, not yet. Allen should be gone though after this year. Let Doug Williams take over Allen's duties, and let Jay finish out his contract and then see where this team is at. I understand the ones who say you can't use the injuries as an excuse, next man up and all that, but I'm sorry, #1 WR gone for the year, #2 WR missed significant time, #1 RB gone for the year, #2 RB missed significant time, 3 Guards (including a probowler) gone for the year, and another now will miss several weeks, TW missing a couple games, and both he and Moses playing hurt, arguably the #1 CB hurt most of the year and now on IR, and last but not least, now we have Josh friggin Johnson one injury away from being the starting QB, now that both the starting and backup QBs broke their legs...and I'm sure I missed some...I mean if this team is completely non-competitive, flat, and just shows no desire over the next four weeks, maybe he's gotta go, but I don't see that happening. He'll be back next year, and hopefully we won't be signing Joes off the street to run his offense.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

No, not yet. Allen should be gone though after this year. Let Doug Williams take over Allen's duties, and let Jay finish out his contract and then see where this team is at. I understand the ones who say you can't use the injuries as an excuse, next man up and all that, but I'm sorry, #1 WR gone for the year, #2 WR missed significant time, #1 RB gone for the year, #2 RB missed significant time, 3 Guards (including a probowler) gone for the year, and another now will miss several weeks, TW missing a couple games, and both he and Moses playing hurt, arguably the #1 CB hurt most of the year and now on IR, and last but not least, now we have Josh friggin Johnson one injury away from being the starting QB, now that both the starting and backup QBs broke their legs...and I'm sure I missed some...I mean if this team is completely non-competitive, flat, and just shows no desire over the next four weeks, maybe he's gotta go, but I don't see that happening. He'll be back next year, and hopefully we won't be signing Joes off the street to run his offense.

I totally agree with everything you just said!

While Jay Gruden hasn't been perfect, I do still think that he is a Decent coach.

With the absolute Mess that Dan Synder has made of the Redskins, at least Jay has kept the team competive.


I also agree that the injuries have completely hobbled the team, through no fault of Jay Gruden.

I also agree that Bruce Allen has become simply a Servent of Dan Synder, unfortunately.

Dan Synder is the real problem!

Please understand...I agree that Jay Gruden has made a lot of mistakes, but he has at least kept the Redskins competive.

Bruce Allen needs to Go Away and so does Dan Synder!

(my apologies for my rant)

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[Chief X_Phackter]

On offense though, we do need to sign a Veteran QB, and draft one, we need to address the Oline this off season, and need to draft a TE that is a capable blocker and pass catcher. On defense, we need a lot of help... We need to draft speed at the ILB position even if Foster works out, probably need a CB, maybe two with Dunbar's nerve injury, and need a pass rushing threat. The current OLBs just aren't getting it done.

[calia]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Gruden needs to be fired.
Injuries should NOT get him a pass. You're down to your 3rd string qb you just picked up off the street and you give the ball to AP 9 times??? Even after a 90 yard TD.
His play calling is horrible. We're continuously a sloppy, unprepared and undisciplined team. We would have choked down the stretch even with Alex. We were never as good as our record. Jay has been here 5 years and taken us to the playoffs ONCE. Since then we've gotten progressively worse every year. We will never win with Jay.

Bruce Allen needs to go too. Being linked to George Allen shouldn't get him a pass anymore.....

It never should have in the first place.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Gruden is an idiot...he has the football IQ of a retard...Chris Cooley got on Twitter 5 days ago and tweeted that Jay Gruden is the easiest NFL coach for other teams to prepare for...because he doesn't make adjustments....he doesn't counter the things that defenses do to attack the Redskins offense....he just keeps calling predictable plays...the fact that Gruden is a idiot is Adrian Peterson ran the ball 9 times for 98 yards on Monday night...one of those was a 90 yard run for a TD....the other 31 head coaches would have kept calling run plays for Adrian Peterson....Gruden should be fired for that alone.

[skinsfaninok]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...g-out-halftime

This ALONE should get Jay fired. He is the worst at Halftime adjustments and always has been.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...g-out-halftime

This ALONE should get Jay fired. He is the worst at Halftime adjustments and always has been.

Proof of that is the Monday game versus Philly...AP had 9 carries for 98 yards...one of those runs being a 90 yard TD...and he doesn't keep feeding AP the ball? His play calling is horrible...and Chris Cooley said on his podcast last week that Gruden is the easiest head coach in the NFL for other coaches to prepare for....because they know Gruden won't counter what they are doing to the Redskins offense.

[JoeRedskin]

I like Gruden. I don't think he is a bad coach. I also don't think he is going to be a winner in the NFL. Rather, I think 8-8 is pretty much his comfort zone.

I also think he has lost the team and needs to go - along with Manusky. (Allen is a given).

So ... if that's the case, who finishes out the year as HC and DC? I mean, I don't even see an interim here.

Plus, as long as they have a mathematical shot at the play-offs, I don't see DS changing things. It might just take all three games, three horrific, mind numbing games, for this debacle to end and the housecleaning to take place.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I like Gruden. I don't think he is a bad coach. I also don't think he is going to be a winner in the NFL. Rather, I think 8-8 is pretty much his comfort zone.

I also think he has lost the team and needs to go - along with Manusky. (Allen is a given).

So ... if that's the case, who finishes out the year as HC and DC? I mean, I don't even see an interim here.

Plus, as long as they have a mathematical shot at the play-offs, I don't see DS changing things. It might just take all three games, three horrific, mind numbing games, for this debacle to end and the housecleaning to take place.

I don't see any changes happening in season.

But we do have two ex HC's here, Callahan and Tomsula.

[skinsfaninok]

Jay is basically Jeff Fisher . 7-9 , 9-7 is his ceiling.

[Meks]

I'd rather hire from outside. Continuity has gotten us dick. And neither of those guys had too much success as HC. Keep them on the respective lines? Sure. But for god sakes get rid of manusky and gruden. Playcalling and overall scheme is hot trash. We need upgraded edge rushers, too, though. I'm sure things would look a little better on D in that case. I love kerrigan... and dont hate smith, but we do not have playmaking edge rushers and we havent. A lot needs to change with this franchise starting from the top.