Redskins 2019 PRE Draft thread

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

But why would we draft a QB in a bad QB class when Gruden will be fired next year and/or Smith will be back?

Drafting a QB seems very short sighted. It’s the “let’s not plan long term but try to get the fans excited” kind of move.

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So make the most perfect Redskins decision ever. You just assured us we draft a QB.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by bighairedaristocrat

Drafting a qb seems very short sighted. It’s the “let’s not plan long term but try to get the fans excited” kind of move.


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smh
It's a QB league but this franchise has been avoiding drafting that position for almost 7 yeats.
So let's skip QB again! Lol

[Schneed10]

I went and watched Will Grier highlights. I think he’s worth considering.

Here are highlights. With highlights you have to be careful because it leaves out any boneheaded plays or times he may have been careless with the ball. In other words be aware that you’re not seeing the whole picture.

But that said watch these throws. On the ones where the defender is beat by two steps or more, watch it and pretend there’s no defender there at all. Does the WR have to break stride?

On the ones where where the defender is all over the WR, is the ball placed in a low risk spot where only the WR could get it?

Yes and yes. Dude’s accurate as F and looks a little like Big Ben to me. Needs to quicken the elongated delivery but worth considering.

I’m not so sure this QB class can’t play.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I went and watched Will Grier highlights. I think he’s worth considering.

Here are highlights. With highlights you have to be careful because it leaves out any boneheaded plays or times he may have been careless with the ball. In other words be aware that you’re not seeing the whole picture.

But that said watch these throws. On the ones where the defender is beat by two steps or more, watch it and pretend there’s no defender there at all. Does the WR have to break stride?

On the ones where where the defender is all over the WR, is the ball placed in a low risk spot where only the WR could get it?

Yes and yes. Dude’s accurate as F and looks a little like Big Ben to me. Needs to quicken the elongated delivery but worth considering.

I’m not so sure this QB class can’t play.

I've been saying it since mid season, he's the guy I want, watched a lot of his film, very good QB.

Spoke to a fellow co-worker (former NFL QB) and he said stay at 15 and take Grier or go Jones in the 2nd round. Murray will be a top 10 pick and we don't need to trade up for him IMO.

[MTK]

Drafting a QB is short sighted? I think it’s quite the opposite considering it may be someone who won’t even play next year.

Short sighted was not having a developmental QB already on the roster this year.


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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by MTK

Drafting a QB is short sighted? I think it’s quite the opposite considering it may be someone who won’t even play next year.

Short sighted was not having a developmental QB already on the roster this year.


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Right on.

Reaching for a QB is short sighted.

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[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by MTK

Drafting a QB is short sighted? I think it’s quite the opposite considering it may be someone who won’t even play next year.

Short sighted was not having a developmental QB already on the roster this year.


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Do you really think allowing Gruden to spend a first round pick on HIS QB when Gruden will not be the head coach in 2020 makes sense? The guy we hire in 2020 likely will run a completely different offense and Gruden's QB might not fit well in his system. If Gruden wants to spend a mid to late round pick on a developmental QB, ok. But not an early pick. Those picks are too valuable.

It is in the best LONG-TERM interests of the team to use our early 2019 picks and most of our free agent money on players that can thrive in multiple systems. I am just as averse to not using our 2019 1st rounder on a guy who can ONLY play OLB in a 3-4 as I am not using it on a QB, for example.

Trying to make a "splash" in 2019 by spending a 1st rounder on a QB might drum up a little fan excitement, but its not in the best long-term interests of the team. That future doesn't start until 2020.

[Chico23231]

Will Grier or Murry at 15...I wouldn’t be mad about that...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Will Grier or Murry at 15...I wouldn’t be mad about that...

Will either of them be good to run the system of our head coach in 2020?

Allowing Gruden to draft a QB with our first round pick is like giving the keys to your porche to a guy who just found out he only has hours to live. Chances are, you're going to need a new car tomorrow.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Will either of them be good to run the system of our head coach in 2020?

In the NFL , Teams hire coaches to adapt to the QB's strengths. Its the most important position in football.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

In the NFL , Teams hire coaches to adapt to the QB's strengths. Its the most important position in football.

Yeah, that's what we did when we hired Gruden... to work with RG3. How'd that work out for us?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Going back for decades now, our team has a track record of new coaches being saddled with the previous coaches QB and it NOT working. What reason do we have to think it will be any different in 2019?

Sure, occasionally, a new coach comes in and works magic with the previous coaches QB. McVay did it with Goff. But this is the exception, rather than the rule. From my perspective, doing this gives your team 3 main challenges that could easily be avoided.

Challenge #1 - the QB
When you invest a first round pick in a QB knowing youre probably going to fire his HC after the season, youre making it so much harder for him to succeed. He's going to learn a new offensive system in year one, and then have to learn another one in year two. Sometimes QBs are drafted and have instant success. But generally, rookie QBs need atleast 2 years in an offensive system before they start to have success. If we draft a QB this year, and make him start over in 2020, then we can't realistically expect to get a good feel for how he'll be long-term until 2021. And then after 2022, youre going to have to decide if you want to start exercising 5th year options.

The true advantage of drafting a rookie QB is getting to pay a bargain price for the NFLs most expensive position for 4 years. By drafting a QB this year and then forcing him to start over next year, you're giving the team one less year to have a cheap QB on the books. Youre also giving yourself one less year to evaluate if you want to sign him long-term. Why knowingly put yourself in that position?

Challenge #2- the Coach
When you have spent your first round pick on a QB the previous year, there is pressure for whomever you hire as your new head coach to start that QB. Presumably, the QB did become an instant superstar, because if he did, you probably wouldn't be looking for a head coach. So with a QB who didn't look good in year 1, you're going to have a lot of coaches who may not want to come here BECAUSE of the QB. So you're limiting your pool of candidates - and we're already going to have a hard enough time as it is getting coaches to want to come here when compared to less dysfunctional teams.

Or, you'll have coaches who may claim they can "fix" the QB just to get the job, when in reality they don't like the guy at all and will bench him the first chance they get for another QB and then use the first QB as an excuse to get a contract extension when he really doesn't deserve it (See Gruden, Jay).



If we want to attract the best HC candidates in 2020, our best bet is to give him a "clean slate" at QB. Let him pick his QB and let him be able to develop the QB for 4 years on a cheap contract before we even have to think about a long-term contract.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Will either of them be good to run the system of our head coach in 2020?

Allowing Gruden to draft a QB with our first round pick is like giving the keys to your porche to a guy who just found out he only has hours to live. Chances are, you're going to need a new car tomorrow.

Young arm on the team this coming year is a must. I think it’s a legit concern you raise and I’ve mentioned that same concern recently but decent young talent should work in any system.

That doesn’t mean blindly select a qb and hope it can work between multiple systems. As an organization when making a decision on drafting QB, ensure the guy you pick is coachable and has the flexibility to play in multiple nfl schemes. Attitude in dealing with change should be considered. This stuff isn’t hard, but the skins put themselves in this position time and time again.

[jamf]

I think we should go with two young QBs.
Have Colt or Johnson as the starter and use the young guys as backup.
If we lose our #1 QB again, our dream of an 8-8 season will be over. We should give that valuable playing time to a young QB with a future instead of trying to get to 7-9 or 6-10 with a backup Vet QB.

[WillH]

Would you believe more in this current FO if they hit the reset button now, traded away assets, picked up as many future picks as they could and accepted that with the Smith situation that this team has no chance over the next couple of years, and that next year was a better opportunity to draft a franchise QB?

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[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by WillH

Would you believe more in this current FO if they hit the reset button now, traded away assets, picked up as many future picks as they could and accepted that with the Smith situation that this team has no chance over the next couple of years, and that next year was a better opportunity to draft a franchise QB?

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Not a bad idea, however other than Norman and possibly Reed there is not much I would trade. Do not resign Crowder, P.Smith or Ha Ha ...take the comp picks.

2019 draft
#1 TE....there are several great TEs in this draft....Hockenson, Smith, Fant
#2 G
#3 CB
#3 DE/OLB
#5 S
#5 QB
#6 S
#7 ILB

Add a few moderate priced free agents....C, T, LB, S

The offense will stink and they should be able to get a good QB in the 2020 draft.