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Old 01-19-2019, 10:11 AM   #1
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The fake news argument is just counterproductive at this point. Way too much smoke to think there’s no fire.


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Yeah but that’s two different discussions...my problem is reporting smoke as fact. Too the point muller had to release a statement saying multiple facts were wrong.

Right now my best guess...was there obstruction...yes. Was there collusion...no. But we will find out soon enough...let the facts lay.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:54 AM   #2
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Yeah but that’s two different discussions...my problem is reporting smoke as fact. Too the point muller had to release a statement saying multiple facts were wrong.

Right now my best guess...was there obstruction...yes. Was there collusion...no. But we will find out soon enough...let the facts lay.

I have to give these two from Buzzfeed credit they are sticking to their guns!


https://www.yahoo.com/news/buzzfeed-...190536594.html


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BuzzFeed Reporter Stands By Bombshell Trump Report: 'This Story Is Accurate'

BuzzFeed on Sunday continued to defend its explosive report alleging President

BuzzFeed on Sunday continued to defend its explosive report alleging President Donald Trump directed his then-personal attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress in 2017 about a Moscow real estate deal.

Anthony Cormier, half of the reporting duo behind the story, told CNN’s “Reliable Sources” that his sources are “solid” and that he was confident their information would be proven accurate over time.

“I’m solid. My sources are solid,” Cormier told host Brian Stelter. “This is going to be borne out, Brian. This story is accurate.”

Stelter asked Cormier about the possibility that his sources are wrong.

“They’re not,” Cormier responded. “They’re not. I’m confident.
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Old 01-21-2019, 10:55 AM   #3
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Yeah but that’s two different discussions...my problem is reporting smoke as fact. Too the point muller had to release a statement saying multiple facts were wrong.

Right now my best guess...was there obstruction...yes. Was there collusion...no. But we will find out soon enough...let the facts lay.
The Russians literally started hacking the DNC and HRod after Trump went on tv and said "Russia can you find those deleted emails" (paraphrasing).

https://youtu.be/mQb2S4DIcNc?t=17

Also I have no qualms about the Mueller investigation bearing fruit but it sounds like their denial (without going into specifics) is an attempt to quiet down the roar from Congress about investigating further. If you're going to deny an article and claim it's false you should go into specifics about which part is false.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:29 AM   #4
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The Russians literally started hacking the DNC and HRod after Trump went on tv and said "Russia can you find those deleted emails" (paraphrasing).

https://youtu.be/mQb2S4DIcNc?t=17

Also I have no qualms about the Mueller investigation bearing fruit but it sounds like their denial (without going into specifics) is an attempt to quiet down the roar from Congress about investigating further. If you're going to deny an article and claim it's false you should go into specifics about which part is false.
So you think the mueller should specifically address what was wrong in the article? You really think that should how it works...spotty journalism, throw shit against the wall and the mueller should stop the investigation and address specifics from some shit company buzzfeed? Whose one of the coauthor has been involved previously in plagiarism and was a drug addict.

Let’s wait until the investigation is over. People don’t trust the American media, they consider it just as slimy as the president...mueller has a record of a standup, respectful guy who will do a good job. He doesn’t have time to address buzzfeed.
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So you think the mueller should specifically address what was wrong in the article? You really think that should how it works...spotty journalism, throw shit against the wall and the mueller should stop the investigation and address specifics from some shit company buzzfeed? Whose one of the coauthor has been involved previously in plagiarism and was a drug addict.

Let’s wait until the investigation is over. People don’t trust the American media, they consider it just as slimy as the president...mueller has a record of a standup, respectful guy who will do a good job. He doesn’t have time to address buzzfeed.
WOW, so he's a"drug addict and a plagiarist"and lets add "people don't trust American Media".

Chico , really??? Go back and look at my original post , did I not say it's "buzzfeed" and I will wait till it's all said and done . Mueller came out and said the buzzfeed was not accurate ,yeah we get it .You call Mueller a stand up guy well think man, please just think. Not accurate is not the same as wrong, false,or fake news . I agree wait till it all comes out but stop with the media stuff nothing and I mean nothing is slimy as than the trump.
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WOW, so he's a"drug addict and a plagiarist"and lets add "people don't trust American Media".

Chico , really??? Go back and look at my original post , did I not say it's "buzzfeed" and I will wait till it's all said and done . Mueller came out and said the buzzfeed was not accurate ,yeah we get it .You call Mueller a stand up guy well think man, please just think. Not accurate is not the same as wrong, false,or fake news . I agree wait till it all comes out but stop with the media stuff nothing and I mean nothing is slimy as than the trump.
yes, these are all true.
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yes, these are all true.


Chico don't you think it's strange you hold a reporter to a higher standard than you do your president?
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Chico don't you think it's strange you hold a reporter to a higher standard than you do your president?
sigh...Brother, again this is a separate discussion. The President is a proven liar, a man with low character traits, an asshole, combative, has divided rather than united...I haven't disputed this. I think he wont be back for a second round. We are so wrapped up in the man. When it comes to policy and agenda...he done a lot of things I agree with and some I disagree agree with and some I think are terrible. Politically, he's done some crazy shit and he has the biggest fucking balls the office has every seen. There shouldn't be an official presidential portrait...there should be a statue of large brass balls to be commissioned.
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We both know Mueller would take the high road. Just a simple deny and leave it that, no specifics.

But the story basically is "Cohen says he was operating under the direction of Trump. Buzzfeed News (important to differentiate from Buzzfeed "10 things your poop says about you") says their sources are 2 law enforcement officials that cited various pieces of evidence, including emails/etc.

Buzzfeed News is basically saying Mueller's team has a leak. Mueller's denial is basically "no we do not have a leak." All we can do is speculate, but it seems like Mueller does not want this to gain a life of its' own. At the end when everything is finished he will present a report in a detailed orderly fashion.
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Yeah but that’s two different discussions...my problem is reporting smoke as fact. Too the point muller had to release a statement saying multiple facts were wrong.



Right now my best guess...was there obstruction...yes. Was there collusion...no. But we will find out soon enough...let the facts lay.


You’re getting there Chico. Very fucking slowly and with much hesitation, but you’re getting there.....
BTW multiple facts being wrong could mean it is not as bad as what Buzzfeed reported or it is actually much worse. Could just be meaningless details too.
Bottom line is this guy had ulterior and self serving motives to cozy up to Russia at the expense of national security. Broad enough for ya? Who gives a fuck if it was text messages or recordings to prove it. Or if Mr Jones or Mrs Jones was on the other end of it. He is guilty AF of criminal activity and on record lying about it too every one and their mothers. Fuck his slimy, guilty, orange ass.
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You’re getting there Chico. Very fucking slowly and with much hesitation, but you’re getting there.....
BTW multiple facts being wrong could mean it is not as bad as what Buzzfeed reported or it is actually much worse. Could just be meaningless details too.
Bottom line is this guy had ulterior and self serving motives to cozy up to Russia at the expense of national security. Broad enough for ya? Who gives a fuck if it was text messages or recordings to prove it. Or if Mr Jones or Mrs Jones was on the other end of it. He is guilty AF of criminal activity and on record lying about it too every one and their mothers. Fuck his slimy, guilty, orange ass.
You haven’t followed anything I’ve said if you think “I’m getting there”. It makes as much sense as the buzzfeed got wrong meaningless details which would draw a response from the mueller investigation.
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You haven’t followed anything I’ve said if you think “I’m getting there”. It makes as much sense as the buzzfeed got wrong meaningless details which would draw a response from the mueller investigation.


Makes perfect sense. Mueller doesn’t want anything politicized.
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