Alstott get in???

[cpayne5]

Actually, 1 elbow = 1 knee = 2 feet.

All three determine in/out bounds and the knee/ elbow determines down.

[#56fanatic]

I am wondering what the analyst had to say on that. I was in a bar in Charlotte NC and couldn't hear the anouncers. Did they say he was down, or did he get in? Clearly his elbow was down, and the ball was tucked towards his chest, which means the ball was behind his elbow. But it shouldn't have come down to us waiting on a review call to win or lose the game. We let simms look like a probowler yesterday. We couldn't get pressure, no matter how many people we sent. And I dont care who GW is, I think to blitz 7 or 8 guys on that TD pass at the end of the game was a bad call. I know we are trying to force a bad throw or a sack. But we had been burned several times during the game trying to do that. On top of that, we sent springs on the blitz, he is our best cover corner. we left Harris (who was beaten several times) covering one on one with a speed guy, and Proliau was out of position, AGAIN!!. This guy was running towards the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped. what the hell is he thinking. You never let someone get deep that late in the game, and its the safetys responcability.

[funandgunner]

Alstot wasn't in. The ref called him in and he couldn't see alstot or the ball when he got close to the goal line - there was a bunch of players standing, on the ground, or moving - for the ref to get a good line of sight. They shouldn't have assumed by default that he made it.

Anyways, the redskins D needs to play a lot better - I don't know what the hell is going on with them. If you can single anyone out it has to be Walt Harris - he gave up a lot of big plays and was one of the players to be offsides on the extra point. They definitely need to replace him with someone - bring back Wilds - or someone that will play. Walt Harris is playing like crap. The offensive line also is playing like crap - especially Samuels - rice was blowing past him the whole game, even with help from the te or rb.

But bottomline, the skins aren't going to beat anyone playing defense like that. It's hard to accept, but what was the strongest unit of the team last year is probably our weakest unit this year. There's been some strong defensive effort in there by most of our players (Arrington, Springs- minus extra point, Washington), but some players need to be benched , off the top of my head - Harris and Lemar Marshall (was he out there on Sunday?)

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Alstot wasn't in. The ref called him in and he couldn't see alstot or the ball when he got close to the goal line - there was a bunch of players standing, on the ground, or moving - for the ref to get a good line of sight. They shouldn't have assumed by default that he made it.

Anyways, the redskins D needs to play a lot better - I don't know what the hell is going on with them. If you can single anyone out it has to be Walt Harris - he gave up a lot of big plays and was one of the players to be offsides on the extra point. They definitely need to replace him with someone - bring back Wilds - or someone that will play. Walt Harris is playing like crap. The offensive line also is playing like crap - especially Samuels - rice was blowing past him the whole game, even with help from the te or rb.

But bottomline, the skins aren't going to beat anyone playing defense like that. It's hard to accept, but what was the strongest unit of the team last year is probably our weakest unit this year. There's been some strong defensive effort in there by most of our players (Arrington, Springs- minus extra point, Washington), but some players need to be benched , off the top of my head - Harris and Lemar Marshall (was he out there on Sunday?)

Marshall gave up a couple of passes across the middle, but benching him might be a little harsh. For one, I dont know who we would put in there, other than Holdman, or McCune. McCune would get my vote, he is a truck with a corvette engine. Anyway, Harris has been playing horrible since the KC game. When teams like us, like to blitz ALOT with a ALOT of people you have to have cover corners. Harris is not a good cover corner. A good example is when Dallas had that Nasty D a couple of years ago. The corners only had to cover for a couple of seconds and jumped alot of routes. When teams figure out how to pick up the blitz, and you have average corners that are on an island for 4 or so seconds they get beat. That is what is happening with Harris. He is not a cover guy. If he has to cover for only a couple of seconds he can do that, but with his lack of speed and cover skills, any longer than that, he get beat, and beat bad. If we can get Carlos up to speed with the defense, I would say play him. I dont know that he would do much worse. But lets not try that next week against Moss and Porter. But not having Taylor back there yesterday really hurt. Proleau was beat several times and was always late getting to the receivers when he has the over top help. He needs to be benched!!

[BDBohnzie]

Alstott is not in. The head linesman had to make a quick decision, called him in, knowing that it was close enough to be reviewed. The booth decided that there wasn't enough evidence to overturn, and went forward.

After LaVar's leap, Alstott went right into the hole LaVar should have plugged. If he stays in his hole, I honestly think he stuffs Alstott, game over.

However, that one play didn't make or break the Skins. Missing Taylor and Griffin, Prioleau getting burned several times, untimely blitzes on the Bucs last drive, and TURNOVERS are what hurt the Skins most.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

After LaVar's leap, Alstott went right into the hole LaVar should have plugged. If he stays in his hole, I honestly think he stuffs Alstott, game over.

You know I was thinking the same thing when I saw the play but I didn't want to get into another LaVar debate. But really, was there a need for him to leap there? Is this one of those "once he learns the system" situations that we hear about?

[BDBohnzie]

Yeah, I contemplating not saying anything because I got housed for the Shockey thing.

However, I don't think it's a learning the system thing. It's a "need to make a big impact" type thing. Back to his PSU days, when he was all over the place. I think for that one play, he thought he was doing what was needed, when in actuality, he just needed to stand there and hit.

the push call, was a judgment call. that needs to be changed though...the part where it can't be overturned on review. it was quite clear from the replay, and the ref should have the opportunity to look it over and realize the mistake.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

You know I was thinking the same thing when I saw the play but I didn't want to get into another LaVar debate. But really, was there a need for him to leap there? Is this one of those "once he learns the system" situations that we hear about?

First of all, I'm pretty sure GW put LaVar in on that play specifically to leap because of the two previous goal line plays where Alstott leaped. Secondly, what hole was he supposed to plug? Alstott hit the pile. If there was a hole, he would have just walked right in. If LaVar had just hit the pile, he wouldn't even have gotten a piece of Alstott.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

However, that one play didn't make or break the Skins.

Actually I'd say it technically did. If we all think he wasn't in then we are basically saying because they screwed up on the deciding score we lost. In other words we played well enough to win by one point but got screwed by a bad call that cost us two. I'd agree we shouldn't have put ourselves in that position but at the same time the position we put ourselves in had us winning the game except the refs blew it. Just can't be in a position where the refs can blow a game like that is the lesson learned.