Redskins sign Landon Collins 6 yr/84M

[FrenchSkin]

Smart contract, again.

Tyrann Matthieu having signed with the Chiefs for a similar APY definitely reinforces the feeling we overpaid. But again we weren't getting a player of that caliber without overpaying a bit. Nobody would want to come otherwise.

[Schneed10]

The important thing is the signing bonus is small, so getting away from the Collins contract is easy after the guaranteed years pass by. It's a good deal for the team - he clearly wanted to play with the Skins at some point in his career.

Everyone really needs to ignore the $14M average annual value because with the way it's structured it's much more like a 2-3 year deal with options to continue the relationship.

Collins and the agent said they wanted the highest average annual value, Collins said he wanted to be a Redskin, and the team said OK we'll make it all happen but we're not taking a lot of risk by giving a big signing bonus. And they made it work.

As always we have to wait for full contract details before we can judge a free agent signing. This one's good.

[MTK]

Very reasonable deal, people that were scoffing over the initial numbers are looking pretty silly now.

Never judge a deal on the initial numbers.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Very reasonable deal, people that were scoffing over the initial numbers are looking pretty silly now.

Never judge a deal on the initial numbers.

Its still a lot for a Safety with the cap hit...coming off recent coverage issues.

The question now is going forward...I don't want to fucking hear about not having the money for obvious issues on the team. And saying well lets wait for the draft to fill the need is ass backwards team building...that's how you seriously fuck up.

Left Guard, Safety, Edge pass rusher...We need starters at everyone of these positions. We have no Oline depth...none sans the Tackle from Louisville.

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense. WR is a complete mess.

We need a lot of help...so the Collins deal is great...but we need to continue to spend money. Smart money

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense.

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

At the minimum you cut Vernon Davis and move Sprinkle up to 2nd TE. But Id look for a trade for Reed...see if you could get a late 3rd, or early 4th round pick.

Rams and Pats got some comp picks in the 3rd round...try to get one of those...Reed isn't the future here.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

At the minimum you cut Vernon Davis and move Sprinkle up to 2nd TE. But Id look for a trade for Reed...see if you could get a late 3rd, or early 4th round pick.

Rams and Pats got some comp picks in the 3rd round...try to get one of those...Reed isn't the future here.

no one is going to give up a mid-round pick AND pay Reed $10 million

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

You think $16 mil in 2019 for Jordan "Made of glass" Reed and Vernon "Hands of stone" Davis is too much money?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/tight-end/

Washington Redskins 5 $17,755,334 $3,551,067 9.19%

We spend more on Tight Ends than any other team.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its still a lot for a Safety with the cap hit...coming off recent coverage issues.

The question now is going forward...I don't want to fucking hear about not having the money for obvious issues on the team. And saying well lets wait for the draft to fill the need is ass backwards team building...that's how you seriously fuck up.

Left Guard, Safety, Edge pass rusher...We need starters at everyone of these positions. We have no Oline depth...none sans the Tackle from Louisville.

Look at the money allocated at TE...makes zero sense. WR is a complete mess.

We need a lot of help...so the Collins deal is great...but we need to continue to spend money. Smart money

It takes two people to agree to the terms of a contract. Some players are going to want money upfront, creating a larger cap hit.

Eric Schaffer did wonders with this contract, but Collins and his agent had to agree to it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It takes two people to agree to the terms of a contract. Some players are going to want money upfront, creating a larger cap hit.

Eric Schaffer did wonders with this contract, but Collins and his agent had to agree to it.

Definitely a good thing to point out here. Just because it worked with Collins doesn't mean everyone out there would be up to taking a similar deal.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Very reasonable deal, people that were scoffing over the initial numbers are looking pretty silly now.



Never judge a deal on the initial numbers.

Not only that but he is young and he is a leader on defense. And just stop with he cant cover. He protects the top of the field, contains it, and allows the front 7 to get after it. It was a solid move.

[SFREDSKIN]

Nice breakdown:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...llins-contract

[Schneed10]

There are backloaded contracts where you've paid a huge signing bonus and kept the salary low in the first few years, like the Redskins used to do under Cerrato. And then there are backloaded contracts with low signing bonuses and no guaranteed money after the first few years.

With the former, your cap gets crushed if you release the player. With the latter, you can release the player after three years with little in the way of cap repercussions. The Redskins signed Collins to the latter.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There are backloaded contracts where you've paid a huge signing bonus and kept the salary low in the first few years, like the Redskins used to do under Cerrato. And then there are backloaded contracts with low signing bonuses and no guaranteed money after the first few years.

With the former, your cap gets crushed if you release the player. With the latter, you can release the player after three years with little in the way of cap repercussions. The Redskins signed Collins to the latter.

exactly...that's a specific nuance with limiting any type of pain.

[Schneed10]

Why the fuck are we talking about trading Jordan Reed. Are we playing fantasy GM? Because if so fine go nuts but you might as well just fart in the wind.

Jay Gruden is never going to sign off on trading Reed. He loves the guy and runs his offense through him. It will never go on the table.