Redskins Free Agency Thread

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Quite possible. And that would suck, because $1.5M of this deal is guaranteed. $1.0M was given at signing, and $500K of the salary is guaranteed.

So he could get cut and cost us $1.5M on the cap.

Even the most optimistic of Skins fans have to hate this deal. It's one of the worst I've seen.

Agreed, we could've kept a proven swing tackle for close to that price:

https://overthecap.com/player/ty-nsekhe/1356/

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Agreed, we could've kept a proven swing tackle for close to that price:

https://overthecap.com/player/ty-nsekhe/1356/

I agree and it is a great point.
However all the talk points to moving Flowers to guard where there is a huge Grand Canyon hole at LG. This is a sink or swim moment for this front Office. Either he adapts to guard and is a decent guard or he sucks and Allen will have another black eye. He is running out of eyes.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I agree and it is a great point.

However all the talk points to moving Flowers to guard where there is a huge Grand Canyon hole at LG. This is a sink or swim moment for this front Office. Either he adapts to guard and is a decent guard or he sucks and Allen will have another black eye. He is running out of eyes.

Also, I'm pretty sure he is being added for depth at guard. I believe this team's starting left guard will come from the draft.

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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Also, I'm pretty sure he is being added for depth at guard. I believe this team's starting left guard will come from the draft.

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It maybe true we might draft a starting LG, but I do not have enough confidence in our FO to do it.
I think the signing of Flowers, a 24-25 year old O-Lineman that was picked #9 overall in the 2015 draft and signed a million dollar contract with us, is the way for this crazy FO to justify - we addressed LG and now we can draft a QB, WR, TE or OLB with our first two picks.
It is doubtful we will find a 2019 starting caliber LG in the fourth round or later. It will take time to develop a guard that is drafted that late.

I must admit I have a small amount of interest to see how Flowers plays at guard. Is there a chance, as small as it might be, that Flowers might find a home at Guard, gain some confidence and develop?
I remember in our awesome 1981 draft class, we drafted Outland winner OT Mark May 1st round, but he failed at OT as a rookie. He could not pass protect to save his life. It was a big fail. So Bugel moved him to RG and he did well and developed into a good starter at guard. Could Flowers be a good Guard?

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

It maybe true we might draft a starting LG, but I do not have enough confidence in our FO to do it.
I think the signing of Flowers, a 24-25 year old O-Lineman that was picked #9 overall in the 2015 draft and signed a million dollar contract with us, is the way for this crazy FO to justify - we addressed LG and now we can draft a QB, WR, TE or OLB with our first two picks.
It is doubtful we will find a 2019 starting caliber LG in the fourth round or later. It will take time to develop a guard that is drafted that late.

I must admit I have a small amount of interest to see how Flowers plays at guard. Is there a chance, as small as it might be, that Flowers might find a home at Guard, gain some confidence and develop?
I remember in our awesome 1981 draft class, we drafted Outland winner OT Mark May 1st round, but he failed at OT as a rookie. He could not pass protect to save his life. It was a big fail. So Bugel moved him to RG and he did well and developed into a good starter at guard. Could Flowers be a good Guard?

Good point. Everyone forgets Scherff was drafted as a Tackle and he had to be moved to guard too. It is worth a $1.5 million dollar gamble to see if Flowers can make the conversion. I am sure Coach Callahan saw some potential before they decided to sign him.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Agreed, we could've kept a proven swing tackle for close to that price:

https://overthecap.com/player/ty-nsekhe/1356/

Close to that price? Nseke's over 3 times as expensive... and 10 years older.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Close to that price? Nseke's over 3 times as expensive... and 10 years older.

What kind of Bruce Allen math is this? Nsekhe counts $4.8M against the Bills cap in 2019, Flowers counts $3.2M against ours.

It's irrelevant because Nsekhe never would have signed here even if we matched the Bills contract, because he wants a chance to play, not sit behind Trent and Moses.

But did Bruce Allen teach you 3rd grade math?

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What kind of Bruce Allen math is this? Nsekhe counts $4.8M against the Bills cap in 2019, Flowers counts $3.2M against ours.

It's irrelevant because Nsekhe never would have signed here even if we matched the Bills contract, because he wants a chance to play, not sit behind Trent and Moses.

But did Bruce Allen teach you 3rd grade math?

True.

IMO Nsekhe's contract just highlights how idiotic spending 4M on Flowers is.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What kind of Bruce Allen math is this? Nsekhe counts $4.8M against the Bills cap in 2019, Flowers counts $3.2M against ours.



It's irrelevant because Nsekhe never would have signed here even if we matched the Bills contract, because he wants a chance to play, not sit behind Trent and Moses.



But did Bruce Allen teach you 3rd grade math?

Im so happy for you that you are really good at salary cap issues that you actually have nothing to do with, but I would rather just enjoy the game and not be a dick.