Dwayne Haskins

[mooby]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I'm really curious about how close Dan and Haskins are.

Sheehan said he was told by people in the organization RG3 would tell assistant coaches he was dining with the owner later and would put in a good word for them.

Really hoping Dan has learned his lesson.

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I would hope they're not close at all. Dan needs to step the fuck off.

I saw an opinion/article today that said Haskins is ready to be a leader on this team. Kid literally has no clue, not one ounce of an idea of how hard the NFL really is and he's ready to lead an entire team? I fucking hope not.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by mooby

I would hope they're not close at all. Dan needs to step the fuck off.

I saw an opinion/article today that said Haskins is ready to be a leader on this team. Kid literally has no clue, not one ounce of an idea of how hard the NFL really is and he's ready to lead an entire team? I fucking hope not.

What difference does it make if they are close? All Haskins as to do is perform. That is the only thing we should be concerned about. Whether or not him and the owner are buddies is totally irrelevant. Is he mastering the playbook? Is he working on his craft? Is he showing up on game day? These are the things that matter. Not some made up controversy by the Washington sports media.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by httr198020

What difference does it make if they are close? All Haskins as to do is perform. That is the only thing we should be concerned about. Whether or not him and the owner are buddies is totally irrelevant. Is he mastering the playbook? Is he working on his craft? Is he showing up on game day? These are the things that matter. Not some made up controversy by the Washington sports media.

Have you never had a boss who had a clear favorite? IF he plays at a high level and DS stays on the sideline it is not an issue. BUT the RG3 /KC drama is recent enough that we do not know that Snyder learned the lessons from that. I hope he did, but his infatuation with players has been well documented throughout his ownership.

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[httr198020]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Have you never had a boss who had a clear favorite? IF he plays at a high level and DS stays on the sideline it is not an issue. BUT the RG3 /KC drama is recent enough that we do not know that Snyder learned the lessons from that. I hope he did, but his infatuation with players has been well documented throughout his ownership.

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If Dwayne Haskins plays at a high level it doesn't matter if he has a good relationship, bad relationship, or no relationship at all with the owner. His relationship with the owner will have nothing to do with his success or the success of the team. RG3 didn't suck because of his relationship with DS. MS didn't get fired because of RG3 relationship with DS. Both of them are gone because they weren't good at their jobs.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by httr198020

If Dwayne Haskins plays at a high level it doesn't matter if he has a good relationship, bad relationship, or no relationship at all with the owner. His relationship with the owner will have nothing to do with his success or the success of the team. RG3 didn't suck because of his relationship with DS. MS didn't get fired because of RG3 relationship with DS. Both of them are gone because they weren't good at their jobs.

You make the hopeful assertion that Haskins plays at a high level. But at some point regardless of his abilities he will struggle and have to abide the coach's frustrations. If Haskins (the coaches, or other players) feels a special relation exists outside of the coach player one, it can poison the team. We as Skins fans have seen that scenario repeatedly played out with Snyder and "his player".

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[httr198020]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You make the hopeful assertion that Haskins plays at a high level. But at some point regardless of his abilities he will struggle and have to abide the coach's frustrations. If Haskins (the coaches, or other players) feels a special relation exists outside of the coach player one, it can poison the team. We as Skins fans have seen that scenario repeatedly played out with Snyder and "his player".

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When did I make any assertions? I said "If Dwayne Haskins plays at a high level." That is hardly an assertion. As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm concerned with any of these players or the coaches punk ass feelings. If our success or failure rate depends on the players or coaches feelings then we might as well start rebuilding right now. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what any of them feel they still got a job to do. No matter what the coaches think of Haskins I fully expect them to work with him and help him become the best he can be. Regardless of what Haskins thinks of the coaches or the scheme he has a responsibility to the team to execute the offense to the best of his abilities. The same thing goes for every player on this team.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by httr198020

If Dwayne Haskins plays at a high level it doesn't matter if he has a good relationship, bad relationship, or no relationship at all with the owner. His relationship with the owner will have nothing to do with his success or the success of the team. RG3 didn't suck because of his relationship with DS. MS didn't get fired because of RG3 relationship with DS. Both of them are gone because they weren't good at their jobs.

Yea, actually he did.

The owner empowered him to walk into Shanahan's office at the beginning of his second year and state emphatically he wasn't running certain plays anymore.

The plays he would no longer run were the ones he was best at.

They were the ones which got Pierre open by 8 yards.

The owner allowed him to be the offensive game planner only because of their relationship.

I really can't tell if you're serious or hard core trolling because it's so obvious.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by httr198020

What difference does it make if they are close? All Haskins as to do is perform. That is the only thing we should be concerned about. Whether or not him and the owner are buddies is totally irrelevant. Is he mastering the playbook? Is he working on his craft? Is he showing up on game day? These are the things that matter. Not some made up controversy by the Washington sports media.

It absolutely makes a difference.

It means if Haskins ever has a disagreement with Gruden, he can walk past Gruden's office and take his beef to Dan. It means it can undermine the respect other players have for Haskins if they know he's bff's with Dan.

The only player the quarterback needs to have a good relationship with is his coaches, as they are the ones who are going to put him in position to succeed. Not Doug Williams, not Bruce Allen, and especially not Dan Snyder.

Did you literally learn nothing from the RG3 fiasco?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by httr198020

What difference does it make if they are close? All Haskins as to do is perform. That is the only thing we should be concerned about. Whether or not him and the owner are buddies is totally irrelevant. Is he mastering the playbook? Is he working on his craft? Is he showing up on game day? These are the things that matter. Not some made up controversy by the Washington sports media.

Originally Posted by mooby

It absolutely makes a difference.

It means if Haskins ever has a disagreement with Gruden, he can walk past Gruden's office and take his beef to Dan. It means it can undermine the respect other players have for Haskins if they know he's bff's with Dan.

The only player the quarterback needs to have a good relationship with is his coaches, as they are the ones who are going to put him in position to succeed. Not Doug Williams, not Bruce Allen, and especially not Dan Snyder.

Did you literally learn nothing from the RG3 fiasco?

Exactly! About the dumbest thing an owner can do is make the quarterback the teacher's pet.

[sdskinsfan2001]

It's pretty simple: Owners should do ownership things, management should do management things, coaches should do coaching things, and players should do player things (accept coaching and execute the coaches plays/calls on the field).

If any of these things mix together, it's not good. A successful business needs structure/chain of command. A broken chain is a broken business/team.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by mooby

It absolutely makes a difference.

It means if Haskins ever has a disagreement with Gruden, he can walk past Gruden's office and take his beef to Dan. It means it can undermine the respect other players have for Haskins if they know he's bff's with Dan.

The only player the quarterback needs to have a good relationship with is his coaches, as they are the ones who are going to put him in position to succeed. Not Doug Williams, not Bruce Allen, and especially not Dan Snyder.

Did you literally learn nothing from the RG3 fiasco?

It makes no differences.

What you're doing here is creating a hypothetical to push your false narrative. Is there any verifiable evidence that Haskins and Jay Gruden don't get along? Unless you have some evidence of that then your "what ifs" are totally irrelevant. And if we got players who are ass hurt that Haskins "might" have a good relationship with the owner. Then tells me too things:

1) We have a weak ass locker room filled with a bunch of soy boys who's more focus on shit that doesn't matter instead of doing their job. We might need to replace those gossiping little girls with real men who realize they got a job to do.

2) The HC is totally incompetent and should be fired. If the qb having a good relationship with the owner can fracture your locker room then you are a total failure as a coach and your locker room needs to broken down and rebuilt.

Don't take this the wrong way. But I find it odd that you think you can tell someone who that need to have a good relationship with and who that can't. Dwayne Haskins can have a good relationship with whoever he wants. If he wants to befriend DS he is free to do that. If he dislikes Jay Gruden. That is his business. He can build a relationship with whomever he likes. As long as he shows up on game day it doesn't matter who he's friends with. It doesn't matter who likes him personally or doesn't like him. The only thing we should be concerned about is his performance. His performance is going to be determined by his work ethic and not his relationship with the owner or the front office.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by httr198020

2) The HC is totally incompetent and should be fired. If the qb having a good relationship with the owner can fracture your locker room then you are a total failure as a coach and your locker room needs to broken down and rebuilt.

Well it did happen in 2013. And the coach wasn't incompetent or a failure, he has two super bowl rings.

You're sticking up for Haskins when the concern is really about Dan. Any player's natural reaction is to reciprocate if the owner befriends him.

All of the blame for 2013 is with Dan and his enabling of Robert.

Nobody is saying or reporting anything is going on between Haskins and Dan. There are insinuations that Dan has some sort of special interest in Haskins, or relationship with Haskins.

It could be a problem if a player has more power than is healthy for the situation. Rodgers' and Brady's power dynamic is and should be different than Rosen's and Dalton's. The owner is the one person who can screw it all up.

[httr198020]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Well it did happen in 2013. And the coach wasn't incompetent or a failure, he has two super bowl rings.

You're sticking up for Haskins when the concern is really about Dan. Any player's natural reaction is to reciprocate if the owner befriends him.

All of the blame for 2013 is with Dan and his enabling of Robert.

Nobody is saying or reporting anything is going on between Haskins and Dan. There are insinuations that Dan has some sort of special interest in Haskins, or relationship with Haskins.

It could be a problem if a player has more power than is healthy for the situation. Rodgers' and Brady's power dynamic is and should be different than Rosen's and Dalton's. The owner is the one person who can screw it all up.

You are absolutely right. I can't argue with that. All I'm saying lets worry about problems with they occur. Right now Dan is not an issue.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by httr198020

It makes no differences.

What you're doing here is creating a hypothetical to push your false narrative. Is there any verifiable evidence that Haskins and Jay Gruden don't get along? Unless you have some evidence of that then your "what ifs" are totally irrelevant. And if we got players who are ass hurt that Haskins "might" have a good relationship with the owner. Then tells me too things:

1) We have a weak ass locker room filled with a bunch of soy boys who's more focus on shit that doesn't matter instead of doing their job. We might need to replace those gossiping little girls with real men who realize they got a job to do.

2) The HC is totally incompetent and should be fired. If the qb having a good relationship with the owner can fracture your locker room then you are a total failure as a coach and your locker room needs to broken down and rebuilt.

Don't take this the wrong way. But I find it odd that you think you can tell someone who that need to have a good relationship with and who that can't. Dwayne Haskins can have a good relationship with whoever he wants. If he wants to befriend DS he is free to do that. If he dislikes Jay Gruden. That is his business. He can build a relationship with whomever he likes. As long as he shows up on game day it doesn't matter who he's friends with. It doesn't matter who likes him personally or doesn't like him. The only thing we should be concerned about is his performance. His performance is going to be determined by his work ethic and not his relationship with the owner or the front office.

A hypothetical? RG3 is an exact example of how a qb befriending an owner can lead to dysfunction. That literally already happened to this team already. I'm not even putting this on Haskins, it's on Dan to stay back. And there is no verifiable evidence Haskins and Gruden don't like each other, because they've been working together for two fucking weeks!.

When Haskins inevitably (because if you know anything about the NFL, you'd know disagreements between a coach and qb are bound to happen) gets into an argument with Gruden, I don't want Haskins feeling like he can run to the owner to complain. Gruden, and by extension all of his coaches, are the only ones who are going to put Haskins in position to succeed. Don't take this the wrong way but you're acting like we're not the Redskins, and we didn't already do this once in recent history, and the concerns here are not justifiable. We already have a fairly good idea of the hard-on Snyder has for Haskins, he needs to seek a doctor because the 4 hours has passed already.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by mooby

A hypothetical? RG3 is an exact example of how a qb befriending an owner can lead to dysfunction. That literally already happened to this team already. I'm not even putting this on Haskins, it's on Dan to stay back. And there is no verifiable evidence Haskins and Gruden don't like each other, because they've been working together for two fucking weeks!.

When Haskins inevitably (because if you know anything about the NFL, you'd know disagreements between a coach and qb are bound to happen) gets into an argument with Gruden, I don't want Haskins feeling like he can run to the owner to complain. Gruden, and by extension all of his coaches, are the only ones who are going to put Haskins in position to succeed. Don't take this the wrong way but you're acting like we're not the Redskins, and we didn't already do this once in recent history, and the concerns here are not justifiable. We already have a fairly good idea of the hard-on Snyder has for Haskins, he needs to seek a doctor because the 4 hours has passed already.

Here's an interesting question. How much did Snyder's preferential treatment of RG3 play into Cousin's not wanting to be a Redskin?