Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.

Ty probably wanted to leave so he could start in Buffalo

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.

We already have the highest paid offensive line in the league... and we're trying to extend Scherff. Spending $6-7M on a backup tackle would have been incredibly foolish. As would giving TW more money now.

This is the reality of the salary cap, having other needs, and 12% of your cap used up by Alex Smith for the next two years.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

We already have the highest paid offensive line in the league... and we're trying to extend Scherff. Spending $6-7M on a backup tackle would have been incredibly foolish. As would giving TW more money now.

This is the reality of the salary cap, having other needs, and 12% of your cap used up by Alex Smith for the next two years.

I don't why but I was under the impression that we could cut Smith at the end of the 2019 season, apparently we kinda can't:

https://overthecap.com/player/alex-smith/784/

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

sandtrapjack... we literally have nothing behind Williams. And at some point we'll be playing a rookie QB. That is his leverage. Yeah the team has more leverage, but he does have some.

I'm also confused why they didn't resign Ty. The Bills didn't give him a huge contract.

Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.

But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Well, yeah you do have other players on the roster. You do not have another "Trent Williams". Next man up.



But there is a reason why teams get to have 90 players on the roster entering training camp.

A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

A team could have 290 players on the roster, or more, and the chances one of them is a Hall of Fame LT is not great. At all. It is a huge problem.

Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Not arguing that it is not. But simply pointing out that with or without TW, someone will be lining up at LT on September 8th. To say there is 'literally no one' to play LT is an overstatement.

They may not be as good as TW. But do they have to be as good as Trent to be successful? Do you absolutely need a HOF caliber LT to succeed?

On a team that doesn't have a single star player, yes, you need your HOF LT to have a chance at succeeding. There's no Zeke, there's no Julio Jones, there's no Von Miller, no Luke Keuchley.

You're being kind of dense. Trent makes a major difference to this team, the kind of difference that could take them from 8-8 to 6-10.

[5superbowls3wins]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but my problem with Trent on this is WHY would you wait until now? You’ve had all offseason to raise these concerns, and it comes out the day OTAs start. It puts the entire team, planning, offense, and cap in jeopardy.

Either it shows he doesn’t give a shit about the team, or he’s been complaining privately all offseason, and the front office hasn’t done anything


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 5superbowls3wins

I’m sure it’s been mentioned, but my problem with Trent on this is WHY would you wait until now? You’ve had all offseason to raise these concerns, and it comes out the day OTAs start. It puts the entire team, planning, offense, and cap in jeopardy.

Either it shows he doesn’t give a shit about the team, or he’s been complaining privately all offseason, and the front office hasn’t done anything


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It becomes public now because it was the first time since the end of the season that he was put in a must choose position. In terms of the FO Allen said they had private conversations, it jyst sounds like the two parties had different expectations. Trent wasnt going to participayr in these anyways so he chose to make a point to the FO. Unless it gets crazy this isn't unusual drama for june nfl news

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[DYoungJelly]

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/6/8/1...medical-staffs

According to Keim, the players feel very differently about the S&C staff compared to the athletic training staff. They detail lack of communication as the single biggest issue, between individuals rehabbing and staff, between s&c and training staff, just communication all over the place.

Bashir, and Phillips are on the podcast with Keim. There is a ton of "between the lines" content here.

Something I found interesting:

They spoke about Trent's effect on the locker room in that it doesn't matter if he has a C on his jersey or not, that when he is in a bad mood, the locker room is in a bad mood, when Trent is happy, the locker room is happy.

It's that kind of leadership that matters. I get so tired of Finlay talking about how DJ was a team leader. If he really was, Allen wouldn't have come right behind him and contradicted his statement directly. People follow examples like Trent and Allen without them saying a word.

This is the kinda stuff that we have no idea about but is really important.

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/6/8/1...medical-staffs

According to Keim, the players feel very differently about the S&C staff compared to the athletic training staff. They detail lack of communication as the single biggest issue, between individuals rehabbing and staff, between s&c and training staff, just communication all over the place.

Bashir, and Phillips are on the podcast with Keim. There is a ton of "between the lines" content here.

Something I found interesting:

They spoke about Trent's effect on the locker room in that it doesn't matter if he has a C on his jersey or not, that when he is in a bad mood, the locker room is in a bad mood, when Trent is happy, the locker room is happy.

It's that kind of leadership that matters. I get so tired of Finlay talking about how DJ was a team leader. If he really was, Allen wouldn't have come right behind him and contradicted his statement directly. People follow examples like Trent and Allen without them saying a word.

This is the kinda stuff that we have no idea about but is really important.

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Agreed, and that's why this TW situation is a big deal and needs to be solved quite quickly. Solved in a way that he stays on the team and is happy to would be my preference.

[Chico23231]

Trent is a must have on the team. Too me, this is a Bruce issue...do I have faith he can get is done? I swear to god, this is the last straw with this fucking guy.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Trent is a must have on the team. Too me, this is a Bruce issue...do I have faith he can get is done? I swear to god, this is the last straw with this fucking guy.

Agreed BA is an absolute tool bag, and wouldn’t even have a job in the NFL if not for his father. Ultimately though Chico this is a Dick Snyder issue. Vinny, this guy? Wtf is he doing?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Trent is a must have on the team. Too me, this is a Bruce issue...do I have faith he can get is done? I swear to god, this is the last straw with this fucking guy.

We do have Trent on the team. For two more years under his current deal. The team can give him more money if they want, but there is no realistic scenario where Trent misses actual games.

The only player in recent memory to hold out for significant games was Laveon Bell.... and it cost him million of dollars (14.5M for sitting out 2018 + the amount of the difference between what the Jets paid him and what the steelers were going to pay). Trent would be incredibly stupid to sit out. And given his injury history, the skins would be stupid to give him a significant extension now.

This isn't the kind of story we want to read, but ultimately i don't think there is any probable scenario where Trent misses actual gametime.

[5superbowls3wins]

If the stuff about the medical staff is true, look for sweeping changes in the next 1-2 weeks. It’s either the medical staff or Trent.

I hope Danny picks Trent


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