When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

We bullshit a lot on here but I would really love it if everyone, haters and Trumpers alike, would read this article and give me a solid, multi-sentence (looking at you Chico) opinion on it. Especially if that can be done without "Trump is mentally incompetent, and so are his supporters" or "just another MSM fake news piece by someone who is blinded by their hatred of Trump."



The question of why Trump is scandal-proof has perplexed me since he started running for President. This article is the closest thing I've read to actually getting some analysis as to why this phenomenon is unique to him.



I think we can all agree that any number of Trump's scandals would have destroyed any other candidate, and yet he still emerges through the inevitable next one.



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...cw4dwnWbu3Nu88

I read the article at a glance, and I am sure some of the analysis is reasonable and sound, but I also think it is not as complicated or incomprehensible as the writer makes it seem. Many presidents are able to "do no wrong" with their supporters. Reagan was known as the Teflon president, Bill Clinton was Bill Clinton and could get by with a hearty laugh and a big aw shucks. I don't think it is really that unusual for Presidents to be untouchable, in fact even Nixon won reelection in a landslide at one point.

Basically people want to believe in their elected officials, and forgive all sorts of crap on both sides of the aisle. Look at Robert Byrd he was a flat out racist democrat that held office till he was over 90, or Ted Kennedy consorted with the russians in the middle of the cold war to get Reagan out, but he was a hero to the democrats. It is really only a modern trend that people on both sides of the spectrum actually hold SOME politicians accountable, and even then it almost has to be a smoking gun laced with sexual immorality and/or racial affronts for fairly minor politicians to be disgraced out of office.

I honestly think people like G1 are far more fascinating in that Trump could bring about world peace, offer free healthcare to all, and ensure social security would never fail, and G1/many others would still hate his guts.

Mind you I am not saying he has done any of that and his style is extremely grating to everybody so I get when people who disagree with policy issues attack him incessantly, the republican core did that with Obama as well, even when he had good ideas or policies.

Finally, in this day and age, AND as this forum has repeatedly demonstrated, if you want to find a reason to support or hate trump there is a link for that.



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[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I read the article at a glance, and I am sure some of the analysis is reasonable and sound, but I also think it is not as complicated or incomprehensible as the writer makes it seem. Many presidents are able to "do no wrong" with their supporters. Reagan was known as the Teflon president, Bill Clinton was Bill Clinton and could get by with a hearty laugh and a big aw shucks. I don't think it is really that unusual for Presidents to be untouchable, in fact even Nixon won reelection in a landslide at one point.

Basically people want to believe in their elected officials, and forgive all sorts of crap on both sides of the aisle. Look at Robert Byrd he was a flat out racist democrat that held office till he was over 90, or Ted Kennedy consorted with the russians in the middle of the cold war to get Reagan out, but he was a hero to the democrats. It is really only a modern trend that people on both sides of the spectrum actually hold SOME politicians accountable, and even then it almost has to be a smoking gun laced with sexual immorality and/or racial affronts for fairly minor politicians to be disgraced out of office.

I honestly think people like G1 are far more fascinating in that Trump could bring about world peace, offer free healthcare to all, and ensure social security would never fail, and G1/many others would still hate his guts.

Mind you I am not saying he has done any of that and his style is extremely grating to everybody so I get when people who disagree with policy issues attack him incessantly, the republican core did that with Obama as well, even when he had good ideas or policies.

Finally, in this day and age, AND as this forum has repeatedly demonstrated, if you want to find a reason to support or hate trump there is a link for that.


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Your bias is showing you Trump cult member.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Your bias is showing you Trump cult member.

Your response is weak and shows a lack of willingness to discuss in good faith.

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Thank you for your response Cred, Buffalobob.

Bob I am one of those liberals that isn't a Clinton fan, I really don't like her ties to Wall St. The paid speeches indicate she has a vested interest in seeing Wall St. succeed. As someone who hovers on the line between middle-to-lower class due to the high cost of living around here I'm not interested in solutions that make Wall St. wealthier. Trickle-down doesn't work, if you make stock prices go up the only people who benefit are ones who own stock. With all that said in hindsight I feel Clinton should've gotten my vote.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by mooby

Your response is weak and shows a lack of willingness to discuss in good faith.

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Thank you for your response Cred, Buffalobob.

Bob I am one of those liberals that isn't a Clinton fan, I really don't like her ties to Wall St. The paid speeches indicate she has a vested interest in seeing Wall St. succeed. As someone who hovers on the line between middle-to-lower class due to the high cost of living around here I'm not interested in solutions that make Wall St. wealthier. Trickle-down doesn't work, if you make stock prices go up the only people who benefit are ones who own stock. With all that said in hindsight I feel Clinton should've gotten my vote.

Anybody without a head in the sand knows the quality of the middle class life in this country has went steadily downhill. I was always interested with adult things when I was a kid and loved math. In 1968 we bought a new house in a nice neighborhood in the Palm Springs area 2300 sq ft 4br 2 bath and had a pool put in. Brand new Ford Truck and brand new Volkswagen. We often ate steak, took vacations, and wore decent clothes. My dad was a traffic cop and my mom worked at what now is Target as a cashier. We were a family of 4. Parents got divorced 5 years later with the cars paid off, equity in the house, and no other debts.

Our life would not be happening anywhere in the USA in 2019 on a traffic cop and department store cashier's salary. My dad rarely worked overtime.

Why? It is probably a combination of many things, some without solutions. Offshoring of manufacturing and globalization are one of them. Wage stagnation caused by the prior in a lot of manufacturing sectors another. Illegal immigration probably contributes also to the wage stagnation. Another is even in a recession the cost of housing is still way more expensive adjusted for inflation decades ago.

Good example of cost of housing, the apartment in Orange Count Ca my grandma was paying $155 a month for in 1977 when she died now costs $1575. If that 1977 rent was just adjusted for inflation it would be $655 now.
Who do you blame that on. Back then people with a good work ethic could start training in a skilled trade starting around double minimum wage now those same jobs start trainees at minimum. I also remember buddies starting out bagging groceries at double minimum, now those are minimum wage jobs.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

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I honestly think people like G1 are far more fascinating in that Trump could bring about world peace, offer free healthcare to all, and ensure social security would never fail, and G1/many others would still hate his guts.

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LOL, I am in your head !!! If trump could do all that no one would hate him .He just lies about it and when caught in said lies blames someone else and always has. Simply put some people back trump becuase others don't and that is indirect correlation to the downward spiral of this county. Trump supporters support trump and not the country they give him free reign to commit fraud.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, I am in your head !!!.

You probably are, but only because I don't understand how a person can be, apparently, well read, intelligent, presumably financially middle class or better and yet still be completely lacking in the skillsets of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoned debate. It truly boggles my mind...

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You probably are, but only because I don't understand how a person can be, apparently, well read, intelligent, presumably financially middle class or better and yet still be completely lacking in the skillsets of reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoned debate. It truly boggles my mind...

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I was thinking the same thing..................