Redskins Training Camp Thread

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Haskins isn't even in play to start which is really disappointing. I just don't understand why they can't narrow down the playbook, take the majority of plays he ran in college and go with that stuff. Has he been so bad that he's going to end up 3rd on the depth chart behind two journeymen?? SMH....

He only had 14 starts in college, just for that I would not expect him to be ready to start day one as a rookie. Also the O-line is a mess right now. I am glad they aren't going to throw him to the wolves. The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB in over 30 years. No reason to rush the kid and ruin him physically or mentally.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

He only had 14 starts in college, just for that I would not expect him to be ready to start day one as a rookie. Also the O-line is a mess right now. I am glad they aren't going to throw him to the wolves. The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB in over 30 years. No reason to rush the kid and ruin him physically or mentally.

That is a lame excuse honestly, Kyler Murray only had one year of starts, and yeah you can say Colt and Case are better than the backups that Arizona had but lets be real here, they could have given Haskins more reps out there. I get that he is a rookie and all, but I find it kind of funny that that is always the reason that we hear.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

That is a lame excuse honestly, Kyler Murray only had one year of starts, and yeah you can say Colt and Case are better than the backups that Arizona had but lets be real here, they could have given Haskins more reps out there. I get that he is a rookie and all, but I find it kind of funny that that is always the reason that we here.

Murray is a mobile QB and played in a similar system in college. Mobility makes it easier for a rookie QB to start. This was why RG3 was so successful as a rookie. Question is, can they transition to being a QB that can also throw consistently from the pocket. Some can, some can't. Murray is still a question mark, but his mobility and his familiarity with the offense is a big reason he's expected to be able to start early.

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by WillH

Murray is a mobile QB and played in a similar system in college. Mobility makes it easier for a rookie QB to start. This was why RG3 was so successful as a rookie. Question is, can they transition to being a QB that can also throw consistently from the pocket. Some can, some can't. Murray is still a question mark, but his mobility and his familiarity with the offense is a big reason he's expected to be able to start early.

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Murray is a great pocket passer, I believe he'll be a good pro

[rocnrik]

Too early to say Keenum sucks...I hope he plays great and we bring Haskins along a little slow and not throw him to the wolves! Keenum has played and won against NFL defense.. Haskins has like 14 starts in college ball . Great Raw talent with huge ceiling !

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Murray is a great pocket passer, I believe he'll be a good pro

Murray had arguably the best offensive line in college football. Arguably the top WR in college football. And the Big 12 ain't what it used to be.

He got drafted into, arguably, the worst offensive line in the NFL. With an aging Fitzgerald and a group of unknowns to throw too. And he is in the NFC West.

Ill eat my words if you are right. But honestly, I fear for his safety.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Murray had arguably the best offensive line in college football. Arguably the top WR in college football. And the Big 12 ain't what it used to be.

He got drafted into, arguably, the worst offensive line in the NFL. With an aging Fitzgerald and a group of unknowns to throw too. And he is in the NFC West.

Ill eat my words if you are right. But honestly, I fear for his safety.

I think he will struggle this yr of course but after 3-4 years we will say he's a good QB. He did have a great line but he is very accurate throwing downfield and intermediate.

[WCommandersfan99]

McCoy kept out for precautionary reasons:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...ionary-reasons

No limp or any indication of anything serious. Think he'll be fine. My issue with him is him throwing downfield. Realize he can dink and dunk and keep things decent, but what can he do when defenses crowd the line? Can't wait to see all the qbs in the preseason.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by WillH

Murray is a mobile QB and played in a similar system in college. Mobility makes it easier for a rookie QB to start. This was why RG3 was so successful as a rookie. Question is, can they transition to being a QB that can also throw consistently from the pocket. Some can, some can't. Murray is still a question mark, but his mobility and his familiarity with the offense is a big reason he's expected to be able to start early.

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If they want to say that Dwayne isn't ready that's all well and good, but I hate the "He only played one year" as the only excuse. Dwayne Haskins threw for 50 TDs in a conference that actually plays defense. The Big 12 doesn't. They are both question marks, but I just don't like the "handicap" thrown on Haskins or any other QB like that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

That is a lame excuse honestly, Kyler Murray only had one year of starts, and yeah you can say Colt and Case are better than the backups that Arizona had but lets be real here, they could have given Haskins more reps out there. I get that he is a rookie and all, but I find it kind of funny that that is always the reason that we here.

Exactly. I don't get splitting up the reps between 3 guys. That to me is just ridiculous. If Gruden feels most comfortable with Colt then fine, split the reps between Colt and Haskins. And if Haskins isn't playing a bunch in the pre season then Gruden can go fuck off somewhere.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly. I don't get splitting up the reps between 3 guys. That to me is just ridiculous. If Gruden feels most comfortable with Colt then fine, split the reps between Colt and Haskins. And if Haskins isn't playing a bunch in the pre season then Gruden can go fuck off somewhere.

For the life of me I don't get the Keenum trade, even with Colt coming off injury and not knowing how the draft was going to unfold. I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that. Like Schneed has in his signature, if you don't know who the best QB of the three you have are, you don't have a QB. I would have been splitting reps between Colt and Haskins 50% a piece, and had some 3rd stringer on the team too, but I wouldn't have traded for Keenum just to have him taking 33% of the first team reps.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

For the life of me I don't get the Keenum trade

Haskins wasn't a sure thing at that point. Smith definitely wasn't coming back anytime soon and McCoy was coming off a serious injury himself. The team had to upgrade the qb position immediately anyway they could. They get a guy who took his team to the NFC championship game the year prior in a dream trade. We can argue Keenum all day long. But, at least give the guy a fair chance. We aren't even to the 1st preseason game yet.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

For the life of me I don't get the Keenum trade, even with Colt coming off injury and not knowing how the draft was going to unfold. I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on that. Like Schneed has in his signature, if you don't know who the best QB of the three you have are, you don't have a QB. I would have been splitting reps between Colt and Haskins 50% a piece, and had some 3rd stringer on the team too, but I wouldn't have traded for Keenum just to have him taking 33% of the first team reps.

Why? We got a veteran backup that can start if needed for $3.5M. At the time we had a bare cupboard at QB coming off a disastrous year at the position.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why? We got a veteran backup that can start if needed for $3.5M. At the time we had a bare cupboard at QB coming off a disastrous year at the position.

I would have just signed someone if it came down to that. Maybe I am thinking too little of Case but I really equate him to that of a 3rd string QB, excluding the one year he had the best WR duo in football

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by MTK

Why? We got a veteran backup that can start if needed for $3.5M. At the time we had a bare cupboard at QB coming off a disastrous year at the position.

Yes but they had to move out of the 6th round. Not a huge deal but not worth it IMO. Who knows, that pick could end up being a high 6th rounder. Keenum was going to get released. Why sacrifice draft position for a journeymen QB who was going to get cut? Yes that would have possibly brought in competition for his services but who would we be competing against? Maybe the Cards? Just another worthless, stupid trade by Allen. He simply doesn't know who to make trades in the least bit.