The hypocrisy of the ________

[Chico23231]

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

I am not sure if you are talking about mental illness or not but there is zero correltaion between mental illness and perpertrating violence. In fact the research shows that they are more likely the victims. The scientific research just doesn't validate the view point that mental illness is a driving factor for violence towards others.

I think where red flag laws will have the greatest impact is on suicides. A significant portion of suicides since about 50% are impulsivity and I think that is something important to consider.

In terms of gun control I will have to disagree. Just because we are at lows does not mean we can't do better. U.S. firearm homicide rate is 7 times higher than the next developed country, Canada, which if you look at their gun control legislation, I personally think it is something both democrats and most republicans can get behind. Since the assault weapon ban ended mass shootings have increased 183%, while there are other variables at play access has a significant impact on the increase. Furthermore states with stricter gun access laws have lower firearm homicide rates. Once again there are other variables that assist that correlation. Lastly and to me this is an important one because I love the ladies, an increase in state wide firearm owenership increases female firearm associated homicide. The research found for each 10% state level increase there was a 10% increase in female homicde victioms related to firearms.

Personally I hope congress is willing to make comprehensive federal background checks a priority. The research shows countries that do better with this have lower firearm homicide rates. This would be a good start and gun control that almost 90% of the population agrees is important. I would like to go back to the assualt weapon ban, but recognize that, that is probably not going to happen. If we can't get comprehensive background checks agreed upon I fear that we are accepting mass shootings as a way of life in America.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think it’s been past time to address crazy people with access to guns. The problem is defining crazy. We are a nation on perception drugs for various things. The red flag thinking from the president is a good start imo, but I think it can be expanded.

Also fighting white supremacy online is another talking point. As well as the mental health crisis we are seeing rapidly increasing with younger generations. This is a multi prong issue...but when we see historical lows of gun violence since 1993...the narrative of gun control is an absolute failure.

So if we are gonna come out thinking bans on guns or assault rifles, count me out.

You start off strong but finish weak. Sorry Baltimore Skins, I think an assault rifle ban is an unattainable goal. Would it help? Sure. But I am fine settling for solutions that even Republicans could get behind.

I'll settle for improved background checks. The Dayton shooter made a rape list and a kill list in high school. How hard would it be to put a note on his permanent record mentioning that, then have it come up when he tries to buy whatever gun he used for the murders? And it's not just him, a ton of these shooters had previous red flags that were all ignored. We need a better database and a uniform system across the board that would improve background checks.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

You start off strong but finish weak. Sorry Baltimore Skins, I think an assault rifle ban is an unattainable goal. Would it help? Sure. But I am fine settling for solutions that even Republicans could get behind.

I'll settle for improved background checks. The Dayton shooter made a rape list and a kill list in high school. How hard would it be to put a note on his permanent record mentioning that, then have it come up when he tries to buy whatever gun he used for the murders? And it's not just him, a ton of these shooters had previous red flags that were all ignored. We need a better database and a uniform system across the board that would improve background checks.

Look at the mind set were trying to change...............