Dwayne Haskins preseason thread

[Schneed10]

With the way the team is constructed - pound the rock and play good defense - I'm looking for a QB who can move the chains without making mistakes. Alex would have fit nicely but here we are. So I think it's got to be Keenum. I want Haskins to have his time to digest the playbook some more - get comfortable with making protection adjustments and pre snap reads.

If he shows improvement throughout the season during practice then I'm not against putting him in by any stretch, but I want to play the best guy and right now I think that's Keenum. He'll make a few plays outside the pocket, he knows how to read a defense, he'll put us in the best position to play field position battles and come away with points.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With the way the team is constructed - pound the rock and play good defense - I'm looking for a QB who can move the chains without making mistakes. Alex would have fit nicely but here we are. So I think it's got to be Keenum. I want Haskins to have his time to digest the playbook some more - get comfortable with making protection adjustments and pre snap reads.

If he shows improvement throughout the season during practice then I'm not against putting him in by any stretch, but I want to play the best guy and right now I think that's Keenum. He'll make a few plays outside the pocket, he knows how to read a defense, he'll put us in the best position to play field position battles and come away with points.

To be honest, Dwayne doesn't look ready yet regardless. I agree that Case should start week 1, right now he gives us the best chance to win. If we had a team like the Cowboys had or Steelers had with Dak and Ben, sure start Dwayne but we don't.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With the way the team is constructed - pound the rock and play good defense - I'm looking for a QB who can move the chains without making mistakes. Alex would have fit nicely but here we are. So I think it's got to be Keenum.

You're describing the 2018 Denver Broncos. They arguably had a better defense and better skill position players on offense than what we have this year. They went 6-10. With Case Keenum, 6-10, MAYBE 7-9, that's our ceiling.

If we're at all trying to win this year, its not going to win with Case Keenum. And if we aren't trying to win this year and are focused on our future, then as long as the coaching staff thinks he can handle it, we need to put Haskins in there and let him learn. He's not going to get better sitting on the bench. He only played one year in college, so the more time he gets now, the more experience he'll have in a couple of years when we are in a position to really compete. Unless the team thinks Haskins is really far behind where he should be and nowhere near ready to start an NFL game, I want him under center week 1.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You're describing the 2018 Denver Broncos. They arguably had a better defense and better skill position players on offense than what we have this year. They went 6-10. With Case Keenum, 6-10, MAYBE 7-9, that's our ceiling.

If we're at all trying to win this year, its not going to win with Case Keenum. And if we aren't trying to win this year and are focused on our future, then as long as the coaching staff thinks he can handle it, we need to put Haskins in there and let him learn. He's not going to get better sitting on the bench. He only played one year in college, so the more time he gets now, the more experience he'll have in a couple of years when we are in a position to really compete. Unless the team thinks Haskins is really far behind where he should be and nowhere near ready to start an NFL game, I want him under center week 1.

You're way, way off the mark in calling us the 2018 Denver Broncos. They were built around their WRs offensively - Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas before he was shipped off, Courtland Sutton. They had shit at RB (Phillip Lindsay and Royce Freeman) and TE (Jeff Heuerman).

We're built around our backs in Peterson, Guice and Thompson, and our TEs Reed and Davis. We have nothing at WR.

Last year Denver ran the ball 393 times compared to 588 pass attempts, a 40/60 mix. Last year, with only Peterson healthy, we ran it 414 compared to 509 pass attempts, a 45/55 mix. We'll be even more balanced with a healthy line, including a run-blocking focused LT, and a three headed monster at RB.

They're completely fucking different. Sometimes you say shit in a lot of words but it's all completely wrong.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're way, way off the mark in calling us the 2018 Denver Broncos. They were built around their WRs offensively - Emmanuel Sanders, Demaryius Thomas before he was shipped off, Courtland Sutton. They had shit at RB (Phillip Lindsay and Royce Freeman) and TE (Jeff Heuerman).

We're built around our backs in Peterson, Guice and Thompson, and our TEs Reed and Davis. We have nothing at WR.

Last year Denver ran the ball 393 times compared to 588 pass attempts, a 40/60 mix. Last year, with only Peterson healthy, we ran it 414 compared to 509 pass attempts, a 45/55 mix. We'll be even more balanced with a healthy line, including a run-blocking focused LT, and a three headed monster at RB.

They're completely fucking different. Sometimes you say shit in a lot of words but it's all completely wrong.

In my opinion, you are either overestimating our players or underestimating Denvers. Guice may be great, but he hasn't been healthy to demonstrate it yet. But he'll be lucky if he ever has a season as good as Lindsey's last year. And I think Freeman is actually better than him.

And I don't understand how you can say my comparison is "Way off" when you then go onto contrast Denvers 40/60 run to pass ratio with our 45/55 ratio. That's only a 5% difference - You're proving my point. But i can't even take credit for it - the comment that made was basically recapping what Cooley said, and I think he knows more than both of us. He could be wrong, but i generally think he knows what he's talking about.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With the way the team is constructed - pound the rock and play good defense - I'm looking for a QB who can move the chains without making mistakes. Alex would have fit nicely but here we are. So I think it's got to be Keenum. I want Haskins to have his time to digest the playbook some more - get comfortable with making protection adjustments and pre snap reads.

If he shows improvement throughout the season during practice then I'm not against putting him in by any stretch, but I want to play the best guy and right now I think that's Keenum. He'll make a few plays outside the pocket, he knows how to read a defense, he'll put us in the best position to play field position battles and come away with points.

These are my thoughts exactly. Well said. It'd be different if Haskins looked like Dan Marino out there (Cleveland), but he didn't. He looked like a rookie who has some things to work on. Footwork, reading defenses etc. These will come though. The fundamentals have to be down before we put him out there. He is not in the Big X anymore.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

These are my thoughts exactly. Well said. It'd be different if Haskins looked like Dan Marino out there (Cleveland), but he didn't. He looked like a rookie who has some things to work on. Footwork, reading defenses etc. These will come though. The fundamentals have to be down before we put him out there. He is not in the Big X anymore.

He threw 14 passes. All the things you mention he will get better at by playing. Not by watching a journeymen who's been on 20 teams.

I hope Haskins goes out there on Thurs and just lights it up. That will make things interesting.