The hypocrisy of the ________

[CRedskinsRule]

I truly hate the gun debate. No one wants to see mass shootings, gang shootings, shootings resulting in suicide. I am not defending those actions by bad actors.

That said,

In 2018, an estimated 40,000 people lost their lives to car crashes

In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported

CDC Stats Gun deaths
2017
Suicide 23,854
Homicide 14,544

Which number seems the most outlandish?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I truly hate the gun debate. No one wants to see mass shootings, gang shootings, shootings resulting in suicide. I am not defending those actions by bad actors.

That said,







Which number seems the most outlandish?

All different issues .....................lets not pull a trump switch and bait.


This is about guns.................................

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

All different issues .....................lets not pull a trump switch and bait.


This is about guns.................................

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

Car deaths have been greatly reduced over the years with laws and improvements in safety features. Abortions are at a decade low. Gun deaths however have been on the rise. Can't we say all three issues are a concern? I don't understand the need to prioritize, especially if you're basing it on just raw numbers in a vacuum.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

Car deaths have been greatly reduced over the years with laws and improvements in safety features. Abortions are at a decade low. Gun deaths however have been on the rise. Can't we say all three issues are a concern? I don't understand the need to prioritize, especially if you're basing it on just raw numbers in a vacuum.

I think you certainly can prioritize, and work to require added safety features to guns, like we do cars, and stronger mental health requirements, like we should with abortions. Anytime you have an area that can be recognized as preventable deaths, you should do what you can to minimize those risks, WITHOUT infringing on the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens. The problem is the gun debate gets taken out of that context into media hyperbole around the latest tragic incident so that the government can pass bad law.

In terms of accidental or negligent deaths, [note i am combining year data to show a point so these numbers - while relatively accurate to each other - are not exacts from a specific year] you can have 500 accidental gun deaths(2015) ratio compared to 136000 total accidental deaths(2014) but gun activists will scream bloody murder.

Instead of dealing with the urban violence and root causes brought on by (mainly) liberal inner city politics, gun activists will scream for gun control as if it is a panacea.

So yes you can deal with guns rationally - creating smart safeties, increasing gun safety courses, and finding ways to keep hands out of violent offenders. But lots of bad laws can get thrown into society due to the fear/shock from attacks like Dayton

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

No it's about the deaths caused by guns. And the fact that more people are killed by cars then guns, and the fact that order of magnitude more people with no voice are killed because they have no voice. Gun violence creates fear, and fear motivates politicians to make bad laws. Car deaths are accepted because of the necessity of cars is seen as greater then the necessity of guns. Death by abortion is accepted because the murdered party can't defend themselves with twitter accounts #inutero

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

Don't forget ,............age (must be 16/17) and must have Insurance on your car .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Don't forget ,............age (must be 16/17) and must have Insurance on your car .

I don't think 15 year olds can legally buy guns anywhere.

How would insurance work for guns, just curious.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think 15 year olds can legally buy guns anywhere.

How would insurance work for guns, just curious.

Gun shows , I don't know if it was legal or illegal but I know and saw a 14 year old buy a gun, a shot gun.In VA.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

If you're going to do the cars/guns argument I'm going to rebuke with the "let's treat guns the same way we treat cars" argument. You need a license to drive, you have to attend a class and take a test at the end of class to prove you are worthy to drive. You have to get your license renewed every 5 years, and your license can be suspended or revoked for any number of reasons.

Deal? deal.

I think background checks are fairly equivalent to the licensing and renewing a DL is a joke, you don't retest, you don't even go in anymore, all you need is your eyesight checked (if you want to make sure all gun owners have 20/20 vision, makes hitting the target easier). Background checks and DL both ensure that you are legally allowed to own a gun/drive a car.

I think most responsible gun owners have gun safety classes, but if it was required to take gun safety courses, as long as it's not used as a permanent bar, (unless you are incapable of understanding how to use a safety because then you're an idiot)

You already can lose your right to gun ownership if you recklessly use your gun just like you can a license, by committing a felony (reckless driving, dui, etc) in fact any felony causes you to lose your right to bear arms, but you can murder someone and still drive a car (once you finish your life sentence).

So deal!

YAY

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

All different issues .....................lets not pull a trump switch and bait.


This is about guns.................................

It is actually about the media spectacle and fear caused by gun violence

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I truly hate the gun debate. No one wants to see mass shootings, gang shootings, shootings resulting in suicide. I am not defending those actions by bad actors.

That said,







Which number seems the most outlandish?

Okay but we are constantly working and improving car safety. Family planning and access to birth control in order to reduce abortions have been a priority but we have been very passive on gun violence. For the record they can all be improved. Much like guns car deaths can be reduced with improved technology, as Chico mentioned. Abortions will come down with improved access to preventative measures. I find the argument that gun violence shouldn’t be a priority because deaths from these issues are greater is a red herring argument. We are competent enough to reduce deaths from all of these issues.