Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Sheehan reports the Pats offered their 2020 1st, and the Skins said it's not enough !!!!

To me that's GREAT news !
It means there'd be a price that would be enough, it means they listen to legit offers, it means they want more than a late 1st round pick, it means a 1st+ is likely to be offered! Love it!!!

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I beg to disagree, I think Sheehan doesn't rush to break news, he rarely breaks news, and/so when he does he usually is accurate.

So I do think his report is legit, and I think putting out there the news that the Pats were willing to give a 1st could make other teams think about doing the same.

I know NFL's FOs aren't regular fans, but tell me knowing Belichik and Cie were OK with giving a 1st isn't going to legitimate the idea that TW is worth a 1st in the eyes of the league ? It sure would in the eyes of many fans, and in some instances perception is reality. I'd say setting market value is one of these instances.

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

I don't care what the rumors are, I think the ceiling for Trent is a 2nd, especially from the Patriots. Like the above says he isn't mid 20's and doesn't play 16 games a year. He probably doesn't have a lot of tread left on his tires, he isn't playing another 5-6 years.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

Not saying the Pats are going to tremendously increase their offer, just saying this is now the baseline for any negotiations, and as many have previously said, a LT needy team will more likely than not be created via injury and/or urge to make a playoff run. Come that time, if not before, we can expect offers to surpass a late 1st rounder.

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?

That's the thing, Bruce Allen is a total dumb ass stupid fool when it comes to working trades. His history proves that. If someone offers you have 1st you have to take it. Period.

There's only a small handful of teams that are going to want TW in the first place. Holding out for more compensation or waiting for an injury to occur to me isn't the way to go. Most of the good teams or contending teams will either go w/ their backup ( see Eagles) or wait until next year and get someone in the draft who's young and on a rookie deal.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That's the thing, Bruce Allen is a total dumb ass stupid fool when it comes to working trades. His history proves that. If someone offers you have 1st you have to take it. Period.

In my opinion, Allen would be stupid if he did what you suggested and took the Patriots 1st rounder (likely to be pick 29-32) when he still had time to see if he can get a better offer. Allen's done a lot of dumb stuff during his tenure here, but the he is handling this is situation perfectly to maximize our leverage.

There's only a small handful of teams that are going to want TW in the first place. Holding out for more compensation or waiting for an injury to occur to me isn't the way to go. Most of the good teams or contending teams will either go w/ their backup ( see Eagles) or wait until next year and get someone in the draft who's young and on a rookie deal.

While, I think only a handful of teams would give up a 1st for Trent, I'd imagine half the league would be interested in Trent. He really is one of the best LTs in the league and its one of the most important positions in football. The price will only go UP if one of those teams has a good start to the season and loses a starting tackle. And its almost certain that one of them will. It happens every year. The longer we wait, the more money Trent loses and more likely he starts changing his tune about holding out.

I understand that we all want this situation to be over with, but this situation is not as urgent as people are wanting to make it out to be. Unless someone makes the team an incredible offer,