Did Gibbs Make the Wrong Call?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I can't believe it's Wednesday, and people are still whinning about this stupid 3rd and 2 call. It was the right call, case closed. Let me put it in perspective. Which would you rather do. Force your offense to go up against the # 1 defense in the league? Or allow your defense, which happens to be one of the better defenses in the league, go up against a young inexperienced quarterback? Honestly, if you're a coach in that situation, it's a no-brainer call. You run on 3 and 2. This isn't playstation or Xbox.

Your kidding right?

How can anyone say giving an offensive opportunity to the opposing team is the right move?

Did you watch the game?

Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?

Did you notice our big time defense isn't so big time with player's like Griffen and Taylor out?

I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call? We are horrible running the ball in short yardage situations, the right move is to go to your strength in that situation, what did running the ball accomplish? Nothing! A first down was needed other wise Tampa gets the ball back with enough time to go down the field regardless.

If you think the defense is that great then why not take a chance at doing what we do best rolling out with a short passing game, if it fails let the defense bail us out? Either way the defense still has to make a stop.

Bottom line loser's leave the game up to chance, any time you run a series of play's on offense as we did you leave yourself open to the possibility of a big play from the opposition, Gibbs went into scared mode on that last series instead of attack mode. If we were up by 2 scores it's a different story.

If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?

Relying on your defense in situations like that is a last resort, kind of like taking knee with time on the clock to rely on a 50 yd field goal, both should be relied upon only if all else fails.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by offiss

If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?

What do you consider an "obvious running situation" aka a situation where the defense knew the run was coming?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call?

I guess you missed Tony McGee's take this week.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess you missed Tony McGee's take this week.

Tony can't be right all the time.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Tony can't be right all the time.

So I guess he's only right when you think you are too?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Your kidding right?
How can anyone say giving an offensive opportunity to the opposing team is the right move?

No, I'm being sensible.

And what do you think you're doing by passing it on third down and throwing an incompleting pass? Or worse, throwing an INT that is returned for a TD. Yeah, tha'ts definitely better. :yeahright

Originally Posted by offiss

Did you watch the game?

What kind of stupid question is that?

[quote= offiss]
Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?[\quote]


And giving the ball back to them with even more time on the clock would help this situation out how?

Originally Posted by offiss

Did you notice our big time defense isn't so big time with player's like Griffen and Taylor out?

What does that have to do with us running it on 3rd down?

Originally Posted by offiss

I can't figure out why anyone would say running there is the right call? We are horrible running the ball in short yardage situations, the right move is to go to your strength in that situation, what did running the ball accomplish? Nothing! A first down was needed other wise Tampa gets the ball back with enough time to go down the field regardless.

You're assuming that passing the ball would have been an automatic first down. You're also assuming that lining up 8 or 9 men the box only stops the run. You're assuming that Brunell is going to have enough time to get the pass to his receivers. You're not taking into account how fast the defensive ends for TB are. You don't think they'd be ready for a short pass to the flat? You're also not taking into consideration how we ran over top of Tampa's defense all day.

Originally Posted by offiss

If you think the defense is that great then why not take a chance at doing what we do best rolling out with a short passing game, if it fails let the defense bail us out? Either way the defense still has to make a stop.

That is the same arugment with running the ball. If we don't get the first down, we keep the clock rolling and we punt the ball away and let our defense bail us out. It's better to give an offense with an inexperienced quarterback less time on the clock to score a TD rather than to give him an extra minute dontcha think? It's foolish to think otherwise.

Originally Posted by offiss

Bottom line loser's leave the game up to chance, any time you run a series of play's on offense as we did you leave yourself open to the possibility of a big play from the opposition, Gibbs went into scared mode on that last series instead of attack mode. If we were up by 2 scores it's a different story.

So tell me again how long you have been coaching in the NFL and how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you've won again? I think this is where you're question fits into the best.....did you even watch the game?

Originally Posted by Offiss

If we had a good short yardage running game I would have no problem with the call, but can anyone remember the last time we were able to run the ball when the defense knew it was coming?

Plenty of times this year...go back and watch the games.

Originally Posted by offiss

Relying on your defense in situations like that is a last resort, kind of like taking knee with time on the clock to rely on a 50 yd field goal, both should be relied upon only if all else fails.

This doesn't go along with what you just stated earlier. You said that we'd have to rely on our defense either way, so how can it be a last resort? Again, there is no way you can prove to me that passing the ball would have given us an automatic first down. I can certainly prove to you that as long as Portis holds onto the ball and doesn't go out of bounce, the clock continues to run regardless if we get the first down or not...and running the clock out when you're leading in the game is an obvious strategy that any sensible coach is going to want to do.

[offiss]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]No, I'm being sensible.

And what do you think you're doing by passing it on third down and throwing an incompleting pass? Or worse, throwing an INT that is returned for a TD. Yeah, tha'ts definitely better. :yeahright



What kind of stupid question is that?

Originally Posted by offiss

Did you see at that point they were pretty much doing whatever they wanted to us in the air?[\quote]


And giving the ball back to them with even more time on the clock would help this situation out how?





What does that have to do with us running it on 3rd down?




You're assuming that passing the ball would have been an automatic first down. You're also assuming that lining up 8 or 9 men the box only stops the run. You're assuming that Brunell is going to have enough time to get the pass to his receivers. You're not taking into account how fast the defensive ends for TB are. You don't think they'd be ready for a short pass to the flat? You're also not taking into consideration how we ran over top of Tampa's defense all day.



That is the same arugment with running the ball. If we don't get the first down, we keep the clock rolling and we punt the ball away and let our defense bail us out. It's better to give an offense with an inexperienced quarterback less time on the clock to score a TD rather than to give him an extra minute dontcha think? It's foolish to think otherwise.



So tell me again how long you have been coaching in the NFL and how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you've won again? I think this is where you're question fits into the best.....did you even watch the game?



Plenty of times this year...go back and watch the games.



This doesn't go along with what you just stated earlier. You said that we'd have to rely on our defense either way, so how can it be a last resort? Again, there is no way you can prove to me that passing the ball would have given us an automatic first down. I can certainly prove to you that as long as Portis holds onto the ball and doesn't go out of bounce, the clock continues to run regardless if we get the first down or not...and running the clock out when you're leading in the game is an obvious strategy that any sensible coach is going to want to do.

I don't no what to tell you exept I think you learned football in the twilight zone somewhere.

I know your struggling hard for contradiction's but trust me there are none other than hilousanations in your mind.

So throwing wouldn't have worked even though running on the #1 defense against the run would have? Our weekest strength against their strongest strength, always a good matchup.

Further more a role out would have taken advantage of the over pursuit of Rice, in case you didn't notice it worked earlier in the second half.

Point out to me the short yardage runs we have made over the last year and a half in crucial situations goal line, and with the game on the line, I find it pointless to look for something that's just not there even though you say it is, please enlighten me. Bears, philli, Tampa, the second dallas game last year, the opening game against tampa last year, just off the top of my head are all games we gave the ball back when a simple first down would have iced the game when a team was within 1 score of tying, or beating us. Didn't we winde up giving the ball back to Dallas the last time we played them with our big comeback?

[SmootSmack]

We ran on the #1 run defense all day long and we did it far better than any team had done all season long.

And what's a hilousanation?...Offiss "hilousanating" while constructing another deep thought

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't no what to tell you exept I think you learned football in the twilight zone somewhere.

I'm sure that makes sense to only you.

Originally Posted by offiss

I know your struggling hard for contradiction's but trust me there are none other than hilousanations in your mind.

I have no idea what hilousanation is. Is that english from the twilight zone? Didn't have to struggle very hard to find the contradiction. It stuck out as a sore thumb. I can understand not being able to see it when you're reading with your eyes closed.

Originally Posted by offiss

So throwing wouldn't have worked even though running on the #1 defense against the run would have? Our weekest strength against their strongest strength, always a good matchup.

Never said it wouldn't have worked. Stop making things up just to argue. Again, your question comes into play, did you actually watch the game? How many yards did Clinton Portis run on this defense all day? You still haven't told me how many years you've coached in the NFL nor how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you have won.

Originally Posted by offiss

Further more a role out would have taken advantage of the over pursuit of Rice, in case you didn't notice it worked earlier in the second half.

It might have worked and it might not have worked. It is a bigger risk to role your qb out on that third down play AND to throw the ball. It's idiotic in my opinion. Our strength that day was running the ball.

Originally Posted by offiss

Point out to me the short yardage runs we have made over the last year and a half in crucial situations goal line, and with the game on the line, I find it pointless to look for something that's just not there even though you say it is, please enlighten me. Bears, philli, Tampa, the second dallas game last year, the opening game against tampa last year, just off the top of my head are all games we gave the ball back when a simple first down would have iced the game when a team was within 1 score of tying, or beating us. Didn't we winde up giving the ball back to Dallas the last time we played them with our big comeback?

That is why your argument is a weak one at best. You can't come up with anything that has to do with the present season to fully support your argument. It's last year this, last year that. The only people who care about last year are the ones who live by the old saying, "misery loves company." They haven't got the strength to put down last season and move forward.

[44deisel44]

Thanks to all that contributed to this thread.......You've kept me giggling all week.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm sure that makes sense to only you.




I have no idea what hilousanation is. Is that english from the twilight zone? Didn't have to struggle very hard to find the contradiction. It stuck out as a sore thumb. I can understand not being able to see it when you're reading with your eyes closed.



Never said it wouldn't have worked. Stop making things up just to argue. Again, your question comes into play, did you actually watch the game? How many yards did Clinton Portis run on this defense all day? You still haven't told me how many years you've coached in the NFL nor how many Super Bowl appearances and trophies you have won.



It might have worked and it might not have worked. It is a bigger risk to role your qb out on that third down play AND to throw the ball. It's idiotic in my opinion. Our strength that day was running the ball.




That is why your argument is a weak one at best. You can't come up with anything that has to do with the present season to fully support your argument. It's last year this, last year that. The only people who care about last year are the ones who live by the old saying, "misery loves company." They haven't got the strength to put down last season and move forward.

As I said, what games are you watching, I gave you 5 examples, 4 of which are from this season and your harping about the 1 example from last year? when all you had to do was give some examples when we have run the ball down someones throat to seal a game, and you didn't bother to back up one of your points all you did was attack, why? Because you don't have a point!

Portis had 40 yards or there abouts in the second half, perhaps the Bucs made a half time adjustment???????

I would have spelled a little better but was way 2 tired, I felt I should throw you a bone anyway because I knew you weren't going to be able to break down my argument it's not fair your wrong all the time, lets compromise, you troll around the site and correct the grammer, and leave the football analazation to the big boy's, if your good the next time a spelling contest comes around I will be the first in line to sign you up.

Now here's your first test, in this thread I have DELLIBRITLY spelled a word wrong, now if you can find it, and correct it, that will go a long way in my book for naming you the site spelling bee, now be carefull this is an honor you don't want to mess up, good luck with your quest. :headbange

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

As I said, what games are you watching, I gave you 5 examples, 4 of which are from this season and your harping about the 1 example from last year? when all you had to do was give some examples when we have run the ball down someones throat to seal a game, and you didn't bother to back up one of your points all you did was attack, why? Because you don't have a point!

Portis had 40 yards or there abouts in the second half, perhaps the Bucs made a half time adjustment???????

I would have spelled a little better but was way 2 tired, I felt I should throw you a bone anyway because I knew you weren't going to be able to break down my argument it's not fair your wrong all the time, lets compromise, you troll around the site and correct the grammer, and leave the football analazation to the big boy's, if your good the next time a spelling contest comes around I will be the first in line to sign you up.

Now here's your first test, in this thread I have DELLIBRITLY spelled a word wrong, now if you can find it, and correct it, that will go a long way in my book for naming you the site spelling bee, now be carefull this is an honor you don't want to mess up, good luck with your quest. :headbange

Dude, you're seriously making yourself look silly. The sad thing is, you actually believe you only mispelled one word. It's almost sad in a hilarious sort of way. I am not even sure you realize which word you meant to misspell, LOL! As far as leaving the football analyzation (hint, hint) to the "Big boys," please realize it is not the size of one's gut that makes them knowledgeable in football. Common sense will tell you that I have merely echoed the same well thought out view that the large majority of fans here stated in regards to that particular play. In addition to that, it is very reasonable to conclude that I've made several good points concerning the third and two play. I, not only have a hall of fame coach to back that up, but the large majority here as well.

In the end, this whole thread comes down to this main point: Who freakin' cares? The play is nearly a week old now! I will leave the belly aching and the pessimism to you while I celebrate in this season of new found confidence in my favorite NFL team. You can post a retort of cracks and put downs if you want, becase I'm sure you will never be "2" tired to do so.

[FirstandTen]

Hey Guess What??????? No One Cares!!!