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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I wouldn't call this a major step back; but it is a step back.

Vikes 2018 Defense:
#4 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#9 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#17 Takeaways

Vikes 2017 Defense:
#1 Yds Allowed, Yds/Game Allowed
#1 Pts Allowed, Pts/Game Allowed
#23 Takeaways

The funny thing is that from 2017 to 2018, the Vikes offensive rankings went down in yards (#11 to #20) and points (#10 to #19), but went up in giveaways (#30 vs. #16).

And yes, I need a life if I'm looking this stuff up.

You have a life, I appreciate you looking it up. As far as the major step back it is the 3rd down efficiency rate. Now I thought they were stupid to give Cousins that money but that is their problem now. Giveaways are big but didn't Keenum have 15 ints last year??

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You have a life, I appreciate you looking it up. As far as the major step back it is the 3rd down efficiency rate. Now I thought they were stupid to give Cousins that money but that is their problem now. Giveaways are big but didn't Keenum have 15 ints last year??

Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.

I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:

- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.

- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.

- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).

- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.



I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:



- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.



- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.



- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).



- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.

The proof will be in the games but the people posting like chicken littles are ignoring the fact that this team does have several strong areas, and if TW does come back then our line gets instantly better. TW Flowers our C Scherff Moses when healthy is a strong line.

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The proof will be in the games but the people posting like chicken littles are ignoring the fact that this team does have several strong areas, and if TW does come back then our line gets instantly better. TW Flowers our C Scherff Moses when healthy is a strong line.

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I agree we definitely have strong points on the team
Rush defense
Running game on offense
If Trent comes back 3 of the 5 OL spots are locked and Rouiller while not Travis Frederick or Alex Mack is no slouch. My main issue with the offense is we need someone to breakout on the offensive side of the ball WR wise.
McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, Sims Jr., Davis, one of these guys has to breakout otherwise people will just stack 8 or 9 in the box like they have over the last two seasons because no one fears them

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I agree we definitely have strong points on the team
Rush defense
Running game on offense
If Trent comes back 3 of the 5 OL spots are locked and Rouiller while not Travis Frederick or Alex Mack is no slouch. My main issue with the offense is we need someone to breakout on the offensive side of the ball WR wise.
McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, Sims Jr., Davis, one of these guys has to breakout otherwise people will just stack 8 or 9 in the box like they have over the last two seasons because no one fears them

I agree on WRs but I like the group.

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Case's giveaways numbers were terrible last year in Denver: 15 INTs and 8 Fumbles. However, his numbers in 2017 with the Vikes were 7 INTs and 1 fumble.

I keep bringing the 2017 Vikings because there is a slight chance the Redskins could somehow create a similar environment, where Case can game manage the team to a winning record:

- Wide Receivers: Diggs and Theilen broke out in 2017, the season prior to that, they were average young wideouts that no one knew about. This is a long shot, but maybe we have one or two of the young wideouts breakout in the same manner.

- Running Game: Guice, AP, and CT are a much much much better running game than Lativius Murray, McKinnon, and the 4 games that Dalvin Cook played in 2017.

- Offensive Line: Minnesota has had issues with their offensive line for several seasons, a lot of Vikings fans were complaining last season how they spent so much money on the QB position without spending money on the o-line (sounds familiar?).

- Defense: As you pointed out, the Vikes 2017 defense was elite; I don't think our defense is elite right now, but they do have top 10 or even top 5 potential.

The part about them being average is kinda pushing it a bit. Stefon Diggs career low in yards is 720 yards his rookie season, Paul Richardson who is our most accomplished WR right now, has a career high of 703 yards and is always hurt. Now I am on the side that Guice is going to be a monster, watched every game from him at LSU and was estatic when we drafted him. Thelien was more of an unkown but even before the breakout season he had 967 yards in 2016. Now do I think McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, could breakout? Sure. Do I think our defense will be top 10 if everyone stays healthy? Yes. I actually think we can be top 3 in rush defense even in the NFC East. Do I think Keenum will be 2017 Keenum? Absolutely not, that was an outlier season and a complete 180 from everything he has been since entering the league. I think by game 5 Haskins will be in there and we will see the future unfold there.

Now it would be nice if we could strike it rich with one of our WRs though.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

The part about them being average is kinda pushing it a bit. Stefon Diggs career low in yards is 720 yards his rookie season, Paul Richardson who is our most accomplished WR right now, has a career high of 703 yards and is always hurt. Now I am on the side that Guice is going to be a monster, watched every game from him at LSU and was estatic when we drafted him. Thelien was more of an unkown but even before the breakout season he had 967 yards in 2016. Now do I think McLaurin, Harmon, Quinn, could breakout? Sure. Do I think our defense will be top 10 if everyone stays healthy? Yes. I actually think we can be top 3 in rush defense even in the NFC East. Do I think Keenum will be 2017 Keenum? Absolutely not, that was an outlier season and a complete 180 from everything he has been since entering the league. I think by game 5 Haskins will be in there and we will see the future unfold there.

Now it would be nice if we could strike it rich with one of our WRs though.

Agreed on the Thielen/Diggs comment, but the reason I mentioned them is that everyone acts like they were both the elite receivers going into 2017. I think in 2016, Kyle Rudolph was their go-to guy.

And you're right, 2017 Case was an outlier, but IMO all we need for him is to not screw up too much due to our running game and strong defense. As some have mentioned, it'll be up to the coaching staff to have a gameplan that can compensate for certain weaknesses in the team.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Agreed on the Thielen/Diggs comment, but the reason I mentioned them is that everyone acts like they were both the elite receivers going into 2017. I think in 2016, Kyle Rudolph was their go-to guy.

And you're right, 2017 Case was an outlier, but IMO all we need for him is to not screw up too much due to our running game and strong defense. As some have mentioned, it'll be up to the coaching staff to have a gameplan that can compensate for certain weaknesses in the team.

I don't think they were elite then but they were better than what we have right now. It started with Kyle being their main guy but by the second half of the season the WRs had taken over. I have hope in the team with the exception of Case, he could prove me wrong but I am just waiting on Haskins to take over at this point