When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why??? I mean I get it they paid their kids way into college and others got screwed but ............serious question here,while it's wrong how is it "illegal?

Because you're paying money to get your kid into a name brand school. You're eliminating an opportunity for a kid with less advantage who definitely deserves it more to get in. If good schools sold slots to the highest bidder nobody from the lower class would ever be able to get in which would perpetuate the cycle of class warfare.

I guess I didn't do a good job of explaining why it's illegal, but I'd say the why of it being illegal is because you're bribing someone with access to the system to pay your way in. At its' core it's wrong.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because you're paying money to get your kid into a name brand school. You're eliminating an opportunity for a kid with less advantage who definitely deserves it more to get in. If good schools sold slots to the highest bidder nobody from the lower class would ever be able to get in which would perpetuate the cycle of class warfare.

I guess I didn't do a good job of explaining why it's illegal, but I'd say the why of it being illegal is because you're bribing someone with access to the system to pay your way in. At its' core it's wrong.

I understand and you're right ,I am not condoning it all let me be clear . I'm just asking how it is "illegal"? People with money have been doing this for years with endowments and such ,how is that legal but this is not? I just don't see the justification to have her serve time ,when many others have committed actual serious crimes. I guess in the end the rich have always paid to get their way ,...it sucks but is it illegal and if it is ........jail time ,I guess I just don't understand it.

The Guy who orchestrated the whole thing yeah I can see how he manipulated ,con and bribed people but in the end ....not these parents.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand and you're right ,I am not condoning it all let me be clear . I'm just asking how it is "illegal"? People with money have been doing this for years with endowments and such ,how is that legal but this is not? I just don't see the justification to have her serve time ,when many others have committed actual serious crimes. I guess in the end the rich have always paid to get their way ,...it sucks but is it illegal and if it is ........jail time ,I guess I just don't understand it.



The Guy who orchestrated the whole thing yeah I can see how he manipulated ,con and bribed people but in the end ....not these parents.

Two wrongs just dont make a right. These parents weren’t conned or manipulated. Lol. They knew damn well what they were doing. That is like saying if i get busted buying drugs i was conned by the dealer. Nope.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Two wrongs just dont make a right. These parents weren’t conned or manipulated. Lol. They knew damn well what they were doing. That is like saying if i get busted buying drugs i was conned by the dealer. Nope.

Again I understand that but why is it illegal , rich people give endowments to schools all the time and their kids are always accepted ,what is the difference ?

Again just asking here.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Again I understand that but why is it illegal , rich people give endowments to schools all the time and their kids are always accepted ,what is the difference ?



Again just asking here.

Well, I guess that nobody is profiting (pocketing cash) off of an endowment. I would also venture to say that in most of those cases the kid is probably a borderline admission anyway as opposed to someone pretending to be on the crew team because they aren’t borderline. I totally understand what you are saying and Maybe this will lead to less of that bullshit.
And G-one again stop acting like the parents are innocent. Or they were duped. Lol. They participated in a scam and knew full well all along the way that it was illegal. Not sure why you don’t get it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I understand and you're right ,I am not condoning it all let me be clear . I'm just asking how it is "illegal"? People with money have been doing this for years with endowments and such ,how is that legal but this is not? I just don't see the justification to have her serve time ,when many others have committed actual serious crimes. I guess in the end the rich have always paid to get their way ,...it sucks but is it illegal and if it is ........jail time ,I guess I just don't understand it.

The Guy who orchestrated the whole thing yeah I can see how he manipulated ,con and bribed people but in the end ....not these parents.

bribery is illegal not "illegal" it is a crime. You can argue jail time but people have done far less and received far more. There is also a substantial difference between bribery and an endowment. Not that an endowment or a legacy at the school should entitle you to attend. They paid someone to falsify scores in order to improve their kids standings and then pass that off to colleges and Universities unknowingly. The only person that benefits are the family and the person that received the bribe. With an endowment people pay to fund and promote a school for the betterment of the student body and not just one kid. If a school chooses to accept the student afterward that is there prerogative. Both can be sleezy one is a crime.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

bribery is illegal not "illegal" it is a crime. You can argue jail time but people have done far less and received far more. .

See this is where you lose me, the parents didn't do it, the middleman did. This guy tells me if you(the parents) do this this or this for this amount of money I can get your kid into any school in the country. I find out if he is telling the truth and if it's a yes(it was) you do it if it means that much to you. Sorry but you haven't convinced me that there is any differences with an endowment and this except the teachers/coach's /counselors actually got the money instead of the school an again not the fault of the parents. As for jail people have done far worse and gotten nothing ,all that is accomplished by her doing 14 days is the DA can say see I did it.


Again, I guess it's me but I'm just not getting it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

See this is where you lose me, the parents didn't do it, the middleman did. This guy tells me if you(the parents) do this this or this for this amount of money I can get your kid into any school in the country. I find out if he is telling the truth and if it's a yes(it was) you do it if it means that much to you. Sorry but you haven't convinced me that there is any differences with an endowment and this except the teachers/coach's /counselors actually got the money instead of the school an again not the fault of the parents. As for jail people have done far worse and gotten nothing ,all that is accomplished by her doing 14 days is the DA can say see I did it.


Again, I guess it's me but I'm just not getting it.

The parents did do it. They were 1/2 of the criminal agreement.

It sucks that there's legal ways to bribe people (i.e. donating huge sums of money to a school and getting your kid in that way) but that doesn't change the fact lying and saying your kid is an athlete to get them in is wrong.

Both parties were wrong, the coaches for taking bribes and the parents for bribing the coaches. They should both be punished accordingly.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

bribery is illegal not "illegal" it is a crime. You can argue jail time but people have done far less and received far more. There is also a substantial difference between bribery and an endowment. Not that an endowment or a legacy at the school should entitle you to attend. They paid someone to falsify scores in order to improve their kids standings and then pass that off to colleges and Universities unknowingly. The only person that benefits are the family and the person that received the bribe. With an endowment people pay to fund and promote a school for the betterment of the student body and not just one kid. If a school chooses to accept the student afterward that is there prerogative. Both can be sleezy one is a crime.

Exactly what i am sayin but you said it way better. Lol