Around the NFL Week 2

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I have no doubt Eli will be in the HOF. The discussion should be whether or not he is 'first ballot'.

Has Eli ever had an elite season that ranked amongst the best qb's in the NFL? He's had plenty of above average years, and plenty of "led the league in picks" years but I can't recall one season where he just steamrolled through everybody. Other than that all he's got is 2 titles. With that W-L record I'm really not sure he's worthy.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by mooby

Has Eli ever had an elite season that ranked amongst the best qb's in the NFL? He's had plenty of above average years, and plenty of "led the league in picks" years but I can't recall one season where he just steamrolled through everybody. Other than that all he's got is 2 titles. With that W-L record I'm really not sure he's worthy.

Perhaps the question to ask is how many other QB's that are 2-time Super Bowl Champions and 2-time Super Bowl MVPs that ARE NOT in the HOF?

He's getting in despite your good argument.

Last name 'Manning', the so-called 'First Family or Football'. He would get in with 1 ring.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Perhaps the question to ask is how many other QB's that are 2-time Super Bowl Champions and 2-time Super Bowl MVPs that ARE NOT in the HOF?

He's getting in despite your good argument.

Last name 'Manning', the so-called 'First Family or Football'. He would get in with 1 ring.

HOF is about the body of work, not just getting a pair of rings. I think he's out.

[Buffalo Bob]

11 NFL quarterbacks have won 2 or more Super Bowls 3 are still playing. Of the 7 eligible for the Hall of Fame only Jim Plunkett isn't in the hall. Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl and his stats weren't impressive compared to others in his era.
His success was later in his career on his 3rd team the Raiders, even there his lost his job multiple times.

I think Eli will get in, but it will probably take a while as you have a lot of class A quarterbacks who will all be retiring around the same time along with Eli. Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers are all mid 30's or older.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by mooby

HOF is about the body of work, not just getting a pair of rings. I think he's out.

There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.

His two post season runs are historic, but not because he dominated, because he was clutch. That's it. That's all he's got to hang his hat on.

Are you gonna put up the d-lines from those years for election too? Because they were a huge reason why Eli has 2 rings.

And finally, how many of those 5 qb's with multiple SB MVP's aren't named Brady or played mostly after the year 2000?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by mooby

His two post season runs are historic, but not because he dominated, because he was clutch. That's it. That's all he's got to hang his hat on.

Are you gonna put up the d-lines from those years for election too? Because they were a huge reason why Eli has 2 rings.

And finally, how many of those 5 qb's with multiple SB MVP's aren't named Brady or played mostly after the year 2000?

You open a new can...love it. Strahan from the same run is already in the HOF. So yeah, you can toss that D Line in.

The others (not named Brady) are named Montana, Starr and Bradshaw.

All this talk about Eli and the Hall when what I am most worried about is what if Gettleman was right and Daniel Jones just SHREDS the NFC East this year.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

You open a new can...love it. Strahan from the same run is already in the HOF. So yeah, you can toss that D Line in.



The others (not named Brady) are named Montana, Starr and Bradshaw.



All this talk about Eli and the Hall when what I am most worried about is what if Gettleman was right and Daniel Jones just SHREDS the NFC East this year.

Yeah, Daniel Jones surprises everyone by doing well. Meanwhile, the “pamper our new QB” crowd will be happy to see Case Keenum win 5 Games and have Haskins ride the pine all season because he might face a real pass rush. He might even get tackled! The horror.

If Haskins sits out one season, why not two, because the OL is in transition and it’s a new playbook next year?Players learn SO MUCH from the sidelines. He also can’t get hurt if they doesn’t play!


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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

There are 5 players that have won more than 1 Super Bowl MVP. The other 4 are in the HOF. The 5th is Eli.

There are 3 HOF QBs that are in the hall without a winning record. Eli would make it 4.

Agree that his regular season is pedestrian at best. But his post season runs are damn near historic. He may not get in first ballot. But I think he gets in.

Without looking it up and knowing the quarterback often wins the SB MVP I would think the 4 would be the crowd that has quarterbacked 3 or more SB wins. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman. How many did I get right?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Without looking it up and knowing the quarterback often wins the SB MVP I would think the 4 would be the crowd that has quarterbacked 3 or more SB wins. Brady, Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman. How many did I get right?

Close.... Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, Starr.