When is Enough ,Enough?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the whistler blower inquiry is legit and from matching what he said to the transcripts...most things match up. I don't think there is pressuring or a qpq...David French had a good article and said as a prosecutor he could walk it towards back starching. Its a stretch given executive powers. BUT its strange where multiple first hand accounts...state department and others were on the call listening in, would we think trump would commit an obvious crime in front of an audience?

Voting, meh too early to say. I listen to all the arguments...several have been eliminated and they are the socialist.

And hope Bernie gets better, he provides strong points of view even if I disagree with 98% of them. But want him to get well, he's a good dude at heart.

And to add, I might be delusional...I’ve been up since 430 and running reports and sql st since 6...coverage issue...my coffee intake is at heart attack level

Chico,

If the whistler blower is BS it will be discovered that's not for trump to decide and for him to say he wants to meet him is witness tampering the law is the law and it protects the whistle blower like it or not .Giuliani is trumps biggest nightmare ,he can't shut up.
Trump today asked china to investigate Biden....he is openly inviting other countries to interfere with our elections no press made that up turn on any station and you hear it for yourself. Trump has gone off the deep end and I believe it's becuase he knows he has gotten caught. Nixon acted the same way but not to this degree.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Chico,

If the whistler blower is BS it will be discovered that's not for trump to decide and for him to say he wants to meet him is witness tampering the law is the law and it protects the whistle blower like it or not .Giuliani is trumps biggest nightmare ,he can't shut up.
Trump today asked china to investigate Biden....he is openly inviting other countries to interfere with our elections no press made that up turn on any station and you hear it for yourself. Trump has gone off the deep end and I believe it's becuase he knows he has gotten caught. Nixon acted the same way but not to this degree.

I think its foolish to talk about Trump's character, he's unlikeable in every way..

But we need to understand what already happening...if there was an actual charge, it would be in the courts. Dems know there are no charges, laws unbroken...so they are moving to a "show" in attempts to hurt Trump electability. The 3rd hand account of the whistleblower's statement and Trump transcript (which He chose to make public...didn't hide or cover-up, etc.) are available...we need a crime now. You cant move the goal post now because trump is a despicable character, orange-man bad, or feelings hurt cause he was elected.



The U.S. Constitution provides impeachment as the method for removing the president, vice president, federal judges, and other federal officials from office. The impeachment process begins in the House of Representatives and follows these steps:
1.The House Judiciary Committee holds hearings and, if necessary, prepares articles of impeachment. These are the charges against the official.2.If a majority of the committee votes to approve the articles, the whole House debates and votes on them.
3.If a majority of the House votes to impeach the official on any article, then the official must then stand trial in the Senate.
4.For the official to be removed from office, two-thirds of the Senate must vote to convict the official. Upon conviction, the official is automatically removed from office and, if the Senate so decides, may be forbidden from holding governmental office again.

The impeachment process is political in nature, not criminal. Congress has no power to impose criminal penalties on impeached officials. But criminal courts may try and punish officials if they have committed crimes.

The Constitution sets specific grounds for impeachment. They are “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.” To be impeached and removed from office, the House and Senate must find that the official committed one of these acts.




Certainly if the President verbalized or wrote a threat to Ukrainian officials and in return provided/withheld aid...then that's a crime. From everything ive seen, this hasn't happened. Maybe something emerges...but don't you think we would have heard or known by now?

[Giantone]

Interesting artical.............


https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump...015041935.html


In The End, Nixon Walked Away For The Good Of His Party. Would Trump?


When the end came and Republicans told him they could not save him, President Richard Nixon agreed to walk away, in large measure for the good of his party.

Forty-five years later, what might the GOP expect from its current president accused of trying to rig a presidential election in his favor, should Donald Trump’s standing deteriorate to a similar level?

“He will burn it to the ground,” predicted one former Trump White House official.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think its foolish to talk about Trump's character, he's unlikeable in every way..

But we need to understand what already happening...

Certainly if the President verbalized or wrote a threat to Ukrainian officials and in return provided/withheld aid...then that's a crime. From everything ive seen, this hasn't happened. Maybe something emerges...but don't you think we would have heard or known by now?

chico we know what's happening , you seem to be the one in denial.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-...191336593.html


Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano says Trump's Ukraine call was both criminal and impeachable
USA TODAY William Cummings, USA TODAY,USA TODAY 2 hours 5 minutes ago



WASHINGTON – Fox News' senior judicial analyst, Andrew Napolitano, said Thursday that the summary released by the White House of a July 25 phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky demonstrates "both criminal and impeachable behavior" by Trump.

Though the president has said it was a "perfect call" and that the summary exonerates him, Napolitano said in an opinion piece that the call showed that Trump was guilty of violating campaign finance law, bribery and intimidating witnesses.

The former New Jersey judge's opinion made a social media splash because he works for a cable news network that is home to pro-Trump media figures like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Jeanine Pirro and the hosts of "Fox & Friends." The article repeated several points Napolitano has made on air since the scandal broke.


Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano says Trump's Ukraine call was both criminal and impeachable

USA TODAY William Cummings, USA TODAY,USA TODAY 2 hours 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON – Fox News' senior judicial analyst, Andrew Napolitano, said Thursday that the summary released by the White House of a July 25 phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky demonstrates "both criminal and impeachable behavior" by Trump.

Though the president has said it was a "perfect call" and that the summary exonerates him, Napolitano said in an opinion piece that the call showed that Trump was guilty of violating campaign finance law, bribery and intimidating witnesses.