Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I think all of the debate is fun, but ultimately pointless as it pertains to Bruce's future in DC. I think at this point we can all safely say that Bruce is going nowhere anytime soon unless he chooses to retire.

And I thought I was a major pessimist.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

And I thought I was a major pessimist.

I really try to not be a pessimist. People on here may think otherwise, but i think when you look back over the whole Bruce saga, there has been SO MANY times that we believed that Bruce's job was in danger, and looking back in hindsight it was never true, it was just BS stories made up by reporters that had no factual basis. In the early internet days, you would call it "click bait". But yet's that's exactly what Chris Russell and his peers did after the Green Bay game.

I mean no disrespect to Russell, he is plugged in and knows his shit and many times he is the first to break legit stories that no one else even knew of / had early access to. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf, in a way. One day, years down the road, there will be real, legit news of Bruce retiring / being fired, etc., and we won't believe it. Because we have been burned so many times in the past.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I really try to not be a pessimist. People on here may think otherwise, but i think when you look back over the whole Bruce saga, there has been SO MANY times that we believed that Bruce's job was in danger, and looking back in hindsight it was never true, it was just BS stories made up by reporters that had no factual basis. In the early internet days, you would call it "click bait". But yet's that's exactly what Chris Russell and his peers did after the Green Bay game.



I mean no disrespect to Russell, he is plugged in and knows his shit and many times he is the first to break legit stories that no one else even knew of / had early access to. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf, in a way. One day, years down the road, there will be real, legit news of Bruce retiring / being fired, etc., and we won't believe it. Because we have been burned so many times in the past.

You may be right, because Snyder is an idiot owner who keeps sycophants such as Bruce Allen around to suck up fan hatred and vitriol AND to suck up to him. However, the team has just had a historically terrible season. 3 wins is not “damn close” to anything and even Snyder can see that (although he may ignore it as he has done before). The team is going backwards, it is easy for anyone to see that the fan base is disappearing. I was at the game today and in my section their were about twice as many Eagles as Redskins fans. Even with the massive influx of Eagles fans, the stadium was 30% or more empty. This has happened every game this year.

So what MAY be different this year?

1. No real NFL-qualified HC candidate will come here with BA in any capacity on this team. 10 years of failure under different coaches shows that it is impossible to win with BA around. Since Washington is considered the WORST location to go to for the eight or nine teams to be looking HC’s, it’s the candidates that are in the drivers seat NOT Snyder. I believe that the best candidates will tell Snyder TO HIS FACE, that getting rid of BA and other changes will be necessary to even CONSIDER this horrible franchise.

2. Whether this season or in the future, the NFL will tell Snyder to fix this franchise’s many problems. The NFL television cameras may ignore and try to obscure the empty stadium or massive opposing team’s infiltration but it can’t do so forever. IF just one game DIDN’T have 30,000-40,000 yelling fans from the other team, the stadium might be just 30% full of REDSKINS fans. That’s impossible for the NFL to ignore. Snyder is the NFL joke and fool but if the fan support continues to deteriorate it makes the NFL look bad. Even he must worry about that although I’m sure BA is telling him the team is “damn close” to getting better. Lol.

We’ll know soon. I’m very cautiously optimistic that BA will be gone.






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[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Warthog

You may be right, because Snyder is an idiot owner who keeps sycophants such as Bruce Allen around to suck up fan hatred and vitriol AND to suck up to him. However, the team has just had a historically terrible season. 3 wins is not “damn close” to anything and even Snyder can see that (although he may ignore it as he has done before). The team is going backwards, it is easy for anyone to see that the fan base is disappearing. I was at the game today and in my section their were about twice as many Eagles as Redskins fans. Even with the massive influx of Eagles fans, the stadium was 30% or more empty. This has happened every game this year.

So what MAY be different this year?

1. No real NFL-qualified HC candidate will come here with BA in any capacity on this team. 10 years of failure under different coaches shows that it is impossible to win with BA around. Since Washington is considered the WORST location to go to for the eight or nine teams to be looking HC’s, it’s the candidates that are in the drivers seat NOT Snyder. I believe that the best candidates will tell Snyder TO HIS FACE, that getting rid of BA and other changes will be necessary to even CONSIDER this horrible franchise.

2. Whether this season or in the future, the NFL will tell Snyder to fix this franchise’s many problems. The NFL television cameras may ignore and try to obscure the empty stadium or massive opposing team’s infiltration but it can’t do so forever. IF just one game DIDN’T have 30,000-40,000 yelling fans from the other team, the stadium might be just 30% full of REDSKINS fans. That’s impossible for the NFL to ignore. Snyder is the NFL joke and fool but if the fan support continues to deteriorate it makes the NFL look bad. Even he must worry about that although I’m sure BA is telling him the team is “damn close” to getting better. Lol.

We’ll know soon. I’m very cautiously optimistic that BA will be gone.






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Let's play devil's advocate here, this is a healthy discussion.

Let's say Dan can't bring himself to get rid of Bruce. So that brings me on to your point of no real qualified NFL Head Coach comes here with Bruce still employed. What do you think the chances are that Dan / Bruce decides to hire Bill Callahan full time? They could have possibly already given Doug Williams the interview to satisfy the Rooney rule requirement?

How much can the NFL really do about Dan Snyder and our problems? Could the problems continue to plague us to the point where the NFL could boot Dan out? What would that take? A simple majority vote? And on what grounds? That Dan's continued ownership of the Redskins is affecting the league shared revenue / TV money / whatever?

[Warthog]

Concerning Alex Smith, he’s around next year even if he doesn’t play. If BA is dumped, I can easily see him filling the role as Snyder’s buddy and advisor, whether informally or with a job title. Certainly he’ll help Haskins next year.

He is probably done as a player, it just depends if he wants to move into management. Impossible to know and he may not even know himself.

I never said Alex would try to sabotage BA or steal his job. He’s way too classy for that and gets paid $18 mill without doing anything, based on Bruce’s ridiculous contract for a aged QB veteran. BA sabotages other people who threaten him, not Alex. I don’t have any idea about what Alex thinks of BA. Just because Bruce was desperate to fill the QB hole after buffooning the Cousins situation and gave Alex a fantastic contract doesn’t mean Smith respects Allen.

All I’m saying is that with Alex around it makes it easier for Snyder to perhaps dump BA.


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[skinsfan69]

Having Smith around isn't a big deal, he's on the payroll so he'll be here at least til the end of next season. But what bothers me is that for someone who was so successful in business can't seem to think and do on his own. It's like Snyder isn't his own man and needs a lackey around to do all his dirty work. Mr Cooke was like the total opposite of this clown. For all his faults he didn't need a incompetent lackey who doesn't have common sense skills. He could judge whether someone could do the job or not. This is Dan's biggest weakness, his loyalty to losers like Bruce and Vinny and his inability to hire a strong GM & coach to set the tone.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Having Smith around isn't a big deal, he's on the payroll so he'll be here at least til the end of next season. But what bothers me is that for someone who was so successful in business can't seem to think and do on his own. It's like Snyder isn't his own man and needs a lackey around to do all his dirty work. Mr Cooke was like the total opposite of this clown. For all his faults he didn't need a incompetent lackey who doesn't have common sense skills. He could judge whether someone could do the job or not. This is Dan's biggest weakness, his loyalty to losers like Bruce and Vinny and his inability to hire a strong GM & coach to set the tone.

I agree 100%! A strong and honest owner would have recognized their own lack of NFL knowledge and picked a NFL savvy GM from the beginning to build a winning culture 20 years ago. Instead, Snyder modeled his ownership style after his hero, Jerry Jones of the Cowboys. Unfortunately, JJ actually has some football knowledge and sense, as well as being an articulate communicator for the franchise. Snyder has neither trait. He’s always been the little brother sucking his thumb, while his big brother drives the family tractor and helps run the farm. Snyder is still considered one of the worst or THE WORST owners in the NFL.

Unfortunately, even with the gross mismanagement of this franchise, the Redskins are worth 3.3 billion, three times what he paid for it. He charges $14 for a beer, with terrible service at the stadium. My son yesterday ordered “Nacho chips” and they were the crumpled small pieces from the bottom of a bag. My daughter stood in line for over 40 minutes for food -50+ people in line for two incompetent and super slow servers.

But he’s in a Catch 22. Neither Maryland, Virginia nor DC will pay for a stadium to such a disliked billionaire, with an awful team. They also know he will not leave, so he can’t play that card. No new stadium unless he brings in a co-owner with deep pockets.

The other Catch 22 is for the HC search. News articles list the Redskins in last place of the 8-9 teams that need Head Coaches. So he can’t get the top talent and BIG SPLASH he craves in the off-season, unless he gets rid of his toadie, Bruce Allen. I think the #fireBruceAllen has been effective. It has served its purpose, directing the fan anger from Snyder. I think he’ll fire BA. But he still will have to tell the best candidates two things to get the best candidates:

1. The new HC will have personnel control, like it happens on about half the NFL teams.

2. Snyder will agree to not to meddle in team affairs.

Then he may get a premiere HC. Otherwise they’ll promote O’Connell and nothing will change.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Tomorrow is the 10th anniveraary of VCs dismissal.

It is the day Bruce Allen should resign/retire/be fired.

If that doesnt happen then the coaching search is almost guaranteed to produce Bruce Allen's Jim Zorn, and DS will lose the remainder of this fan base.

It is so discouraging that it hasn't happened yet.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Tomorrow is the 10th anniveraary of VCs dismissal.

It is the day Bruce Allen should resign/retire/be fired.

If that doesnt happen then the coaching search is almost guaranteed to produce Bruce Allen's Jim Zorn, and DS will lose the remainder of this fan base.

It is so discouraging that it hasn't happened yet.

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They said it couldn't be done, but our guy Bruce did it.

100 losses in 10 years, that is quite the achievement.

Congrats Bruce, for wasting an entire decade of Redskins football!

[Warthog]

I didn’t say the other owners would vote Snyder out, more like, “you need to make some changes to get the fans back”. Easiest solution, fire BA.

I think the chances for a HC job WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION is for O’Connell not Callahan. Callahan has a record as a HC, and it’s not impressive. If Callahan didn’t have O’Connell, his archaic run-based offense would drive this offense even lower (if that’s possible). Bringing up O’Connell to HC keeps him from leaving like Sean McVay, & Shallahan.

Unfortunately, I give O’Connell about a 50% chance of being the next HC. If Snyder REALLY wants the Chiefs OC, he’s going to have to make significant changes. Not sure if he’s able to do so, but I still think BA will be fired this season.


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[Warthog]

It’s tough to be the worst GM in the NFL. 100 losses in 10 years is an impressive indication of his failures, regardless of HC.
I just hope that after he’s fired I don’t see him on tv pretending he is an NFL “expert”. He’s a toadie and a buffoon.


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[SFREDSKIN]

Hopefully this is the week BA gets canned or reassigned.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Hopefully this is the week BA gets canned or reassigned.

they'll wait til the end i'm sure

[Buffalo Bob]

I will definitely say no to Urban Meyer. The taking time off because he was working too hard and then backing off from some of his duties isn't a good sign. Also he didn't run the cleanest programs at the colleges he coached. I think at Florida his players led D-1 college football in getting arrested. It was also rumored he covered up positive drug tests. It shows a lack of character and he passes that on to his players. He also looks too much like Bruce Allen.

[Packfan10]

Would you guys take Mike McCarthy?