The Haskins Threat

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Graded where and 86 out of what? On a 100% scale an 86 is a B+, are you kidding me? If that is correct I must have watched a different game and got the wrong box score off of ESPN. 114 net yards passing and sacked 5 times with 25 pass attempts, that wouldn't look good on a 1963 NFL box score. Even worse the Redskins had a major running game going, that helps the QB immensely. I haven't given up on Haskins till he has time to fix all the glaring technical flaws, but I do not understand the major optimism from some fans.

You have to consider the drops his guys had, Terry had 2 right in his hands, same for Sprinkle, so you cant look at the completion % . Every pass is graded so it's not just some made up numbers. Yes he has to get better but overall game by game he's improved

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Graded where and 86 out of what? On a 100% scale an 86 is a B+, are you kidding me? If that is correct I must have watched a different game and got the wrong box score off of ESPN. 114 net yards passing and sacked 5 times with 25 pass attempts, that wouldn't look good on a 1963 NFL box score. Even worse the Redskins had a major running game going, that helps the QB immensely. I haven't given up on Haskins till he has time to fix all the glaring technical flaws, but I do not understand the major optimism from some fans.

Agreed. He is barely being used, and still making more mistakes than most. But yeah his team is meh. Staff is shit. So ill wait until the end of next year provided he is healthy to see if he is the guy. He certainly looks a little better than he did but he looked like he never played quarterback in his life before so....

[Warthog]

Haskins has a long way to go and it won't be fair to judge him until next season:

All rookie WR group - McLaurin, Steve Sims and Harmon. Excellent draft of WR but they still have rookie mistakes.

O'Connell playcalling. The Redskins until yesterday had one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Part of that was Gruden's playcalling. Why do we always have to run on first down? I see the offensive playcalling improving as the season progresses. I hope O'Connell comes back next year because I think he has real potential. But he's still green and gets into a predictive rut sometimes.

Crap TE. Our best TE's, who the team spent $16 mill are out for the season and probably forever. We need either to draft high for a TE or pick up one of the premium TE in FA. Drop Reed and Davis in offseason. Time to move on.

OL - the OL is far better at run-blocking than pass protection. Need new blood in the draft. Still unsure if Scherff is worth a re-signing. He's coming back very late after an absolutely terrible first half of the season. Moses is gone also.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Haskins had his best passing grade by far yesterday. 86.0

He's getting better

Yeah...like Sheehan said today, this talk of him not ready and sitting was utter horseshit. Put the passing aside, he has been able to do all the “game management” items quite well: running the huddle, calling plays, his demeanor on the field, plays with urgency, competitive and doesn’t seem overwhelmed. He’s not getting delay of game penalties, unnecessary timeouts, etc.

Speaking of grades, our interior Oline is grading pretty damn high: Roullier is like up to 6 highest rated center, schreff is 5 best guard and Flowers is up to 25th highest rated guard. All together, this group is playing pretty damn well.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah...like Sheehan said today, this talk of him not ready and sitting was utter horseshit. Put the passing aside, he has been able to do all the “game management” items quite well: running the huddle, calling plays, his demeanor on the field, plays with urgency, competitive and doesn’t seem overwhelmed. He’s not getting delay of game penalties, unnecessary timeouts, etc.

Speaking of grades, our interior Oline is grading pretty damn high: Roullier is like up to 6 highest rated center, schreff is 5 best guard and Flowers is up to 25th highest rated guard. All together, this group is playing pretty damn well.

Too bad our interior linemen playing well is going to be wasted on this season. I'd love to keep that core together for the next several years, def. need to replace Trent and possibly Moses too but Flowers/Roullier/Scherff is good to go. If we don't resign Scherff we're just creating more problems to solve.

We're already looking at replacing Trent, that should be priority A. Priority B should be replacing our top 2 TE's and possibly Sprinkle too if options are there. I'd like to bring in one experienced WR just to help Haskins too, we can keep McLaurin and Harmon but dump Richardson and Quinn. I'm iffy on Moses, I'd like to replace him but with all the other needs we have not sure if it's viable. If Geron Christian steps up it could really make that decision easier. And if Scherff walks it's one more hole to fill, I'm really hoping he just wants to stay here although I wouldn't blame him if he wanted out.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Too bad our interior linemen playing well is going to be wasted on this season. I'd love to keep that core together for the next several years, def. need to replace Trent and possibly Moses too but Flowers/Roullier/Scherff is good to go. If we don't resign Scherff we're just creating more problems to solve.

True, but these guys are relatively young, so they could get better. I say lock them all up and I don’t think Roullier and Flowers will be much to extend. I don’t think replacing Moses is viable due to his contract, he is here next year.

[SFREDSKIN]

Haskins and our offense would be more efficient with Guice starting instead of AP, they wouldn’t have the lethargic start they always have. O’Connell has done a fine job despite being having Callahan make the calls on who to start.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

True, but these guys are relatively young, so they could get better. I say lock them all up and I don’t think Roullier and Flowers will be much to extend. I don’t think replacing Moses is viable due to his contract, he is here next year.

According to over the cap we would save nearly $5 million by cutting Moses next year.... question is how much his replacement will cost

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah...like Sheehan said today, this talk of him not ready and sitting was utter horseshit. Put the passing aside, he has been able to do all the “game management” items quite well: running the huddle, calling plays, his demeanor on the field, plays with urgency, competitive and doesn’t seem overwhelmed. He’s not getting delay of game penalties, unnecessary timeouts, etc.

Speaking of grades, our interior Oline is grading pretty damn high: Roullier is like up to 6 highest rated center, schreff is 5 best guard and Flowers is up to 25th highest rated guard. All together, this group is playing pretty damn well.

I'll be first to admit I was way off and wrong on Flowers and Penn

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'll be first to admit I was way off and wrong on Flowers and Penn

might be nice to sign both of them to extensions. Penn looks like he has another year or two left.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

might be nice to sign both of them to extensions. Penn looks like he has another year or two left.

I'm not sure Trent will be gone if Bruce leaves, I think its possible he returns.. If not then yeah I agree, sign Penn for another yr and draft a LT in the later rds

[skinsfan69]

This may be the first game where Haskins actually looked like a NFL QB. He missed some things but also had some drops. I liked what I saw and hopefully he keeps an upward trend going. I want to see a breakout game from him before the season ends.

[MTK]

Haskins is taking baby steps each week, he’s definitely showing progress even if it’s slow but sure.


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[skinsfaninok]

P rich is way worse than Normans deal, in fact he's as bad damn near as haynesworth

[Warthog]

Dump Richardson-he’s done nothing, total waste.
Dump Norman, he’s faded every year and is totally worthless.
Trent Williams asked to be traded before the season. Other high profile players in other teams asked for the same thing. ONLY THE REDSKINS, only Bruce Allen tried to keep their disgruntled player (justified or not), by trying to force him back on the team or punishing him for daring to leave this team. Other teams would have traded highly for him. Only Bruce Allen was arrogant enough to ignore their inquiries. The next GM needs to get the most from a trade for him. Move on.
Tough call on Kerrigan. He is a great veteran and before this season, the best and most consistent player on the defense. Whether due to Greg Manusky’s bad coaching or the effects of Father Time, he has faltered this season. Fortunately, the team picked up a good replacement-Orchard. We will get a good look at him and see if he is as good as his excellent first game. The new GM will make this hard decision of a trade or to keep him one more season. He has been an outstanding Redskin on some really crappy teams.
The team needs to dump almost all their FA’s except for Collins. That includes McCoy.



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