The Haskins Threat

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mooby

This should be obvious. I got 10 bucks that says if he plays like this for the rest of the year, we'll be drafting a qb next offseason and selling Haskins Josh Rosen style.

I don't see that happening. Rosen was light years ahead of where Haskins is right now.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I don't see that happening. Rosen was light years ahead of where Haskins is right now.

Right. What would we get for him? Who would give up as much as a 4th rounder?


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[mooby]

Obviously he needs a lot of work.

At this point it seems inevitable he will be starting at some point whether by injury or poor performance, so we might as well call Keenum's concussion a long term one and let Haskins take his lumps. Because it should be obvious to anyone with two eyes Haskins is going to take a lot of lumps as he is nowhere near ready.

My only concern at this point is what is surely going to amount to a terrible rookie season for Haskins translating into a poor career for him. But hey, if it happens it's because he's a bust, not because he never got time to learn (because he's clearly starting from square one as a pro qb).

[Chief X_Phackter]

Yeah, can we put to bed once and for all that Haskins should be starting? He doesn't give this team a chance at all right now. If you want to lose the locker room, put him out there as the starter looking like he has the last two times he's played in a real game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, can we put to bed once and for all that Haskins should be starting? He doesn't give this team a chance at all right now. If you want to lose the locker room, put him out there as the starter looking like he has the last two times he's played in a real game.

A chance to what? Win and go 2-7? For what? Those players know he is (should be) the future. We have to see what he is or isn’t. He has to keep playing.

[Buffalo Bob]

I don't know where the improvement is the coaches keep talking about. He looked worse than preseason by a country mile. His mechanics even seemed to get worse. Obviously the quicker speed and more confusing defenses of games that count caused the regression.

Don't know where I saw it but back when he was still playing there was a long piece on the development of Steve Young and how Bill Walsh coached him up. He said a QB relies on instincts when they are under pressure. One of Young's biggest faults was to take off running if his first read wasn't open and he saw a running lane. He said he would practice making all his reads, and was getting better at not taking off running too soon, yet when the pressure was on like being down late in a game, he would revert back to quickly looking to run.

Young said not until he practiced good habits over and over and over again to the point of exhaustion did the good habits become his instincts. The amount of repetitions that Walsh made him go through bordered on insanity.

So hopefully Haskins just needs time and obviously lots of it. Nobody thought the dumpster fire that was Steve Young early in his career would end up in the Hall of Fame. I am kind of amazed and how bad Haskins mechanics are.
You can get away with a lot as a college QB when you are lining up with guys who are far superior than the guys on the other side of the ball. Now Haskins is lining up with guys inferior to those defending them and it definitely shows.

[rocnrik]

I’ve seen enough .. if rumors are true and the Haskins pick was Snyder’s idea this may be what it takes for him to step aside hire a real football person to run this team .. I’m sorry I know some are hoping it will work out for the kid but for me I don’t think there is any chance he will succeed in this league.. we will have to wait and see if I am right but it does not look good ... and this is not after 1 game. He has been in the building for 6 months .. As bad as keenum is he is by far the best QB on roster .The entertainment value of this team is all the drama and the storylines not the on field performances.. it is what it is...

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

A chance to what? Win and go 2-7? For what? Those players know he is (should be) the future. We have to see what he is or isn’t. He has to keep playing.

A chance to win. Isn't that what they go out to do? This whole notion that they have to find out what we have for next year is a bunch of BS. I think they already know what they have, and that's why he's not starting.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

A chance to win. Isn't that what they go out to do? This whole notion that they have to find out what we have for next year is a bunch of BS. I think they already know what they have, and that's why he's not starting.

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

Your need to determine whether a rookie qb is a bust in the span of a year is wrong IMO. We knew he wasn't pro-ready when we got him, projects take more than a year to develop.

If it were up to me I'd spend the rest of this year prepping him to start for the next coach in 2020. He's not going to be ready in a week, and I wouldn't even put him in a game until he shows that he can run the offense with a base set of plays in practice. If that doesn't happen this year so be it. But we have to give him at least 2 years before we give up on him. This team already has enough holes without adding qb to the list.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

You can really only do that if he gives the team as good a chance to win as Case, and right now he doesn't if Case is healthy. The coaching staff has the responsibility to play the best players. You can say that you don't care about the wins, but I assure you, the players and coaches do. They aren't thinking about next year's draft. I think they ultimately believe Haskins will be fine, but remember, there was never any intent for him to start this year. No sense in deviating from that plan until he gives the team a better chance to win. Maybe that time comes sometime this year...maybe not.

[calia]

In the full games’ worth of time he has played, he is 12-22 for 140 yards, 0 TD and 4 INT. Yeah, he didn’t get first team reps, but this was against the Giants pretty bad D and the Vikings very good D.

He’s nowhere near ready. I just hope this experience isn’t so searing that he can’t recover from it. I think he has some bad outings in his near future - and clearly needs an offseason of doing a lot of hard work to become an NFL QB.


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[Chief X_Phackter]

And Keenum was 12/16 for 130 yards in one half against that "very good D".

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

And Keenum was 12/16 for 130 yards in one half against that "very good D".

Agreed.


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[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Did he play for OSU?

JUST CHECKING!

Dude was a bust from jump and we all knew that, we just wanted a little hope. Haskins wont be in the league in 3 years.