The Haskins Threat

[Chief X_Phackter]

Yeah, can we put to bed once and for all that Haskins should be starting? He doesn't give this team a chance at all right now. If you want to lose the locker room, put him out there as the starter looking like he has the last two times he's played in a real game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Yeah, can we put to bed once and for all that Haskins should be starting? He doesn't give this team a chance at all right now. If you want to lose the locker room, put him out there as the starter looking like he has the last two times he's played in a real game.

A chance to what? Win and go 2-7? For what? Those players know he is (should be) the future. We have to see what he is or isn’t. He has to keep playing.

[Buffalo Bob]

I don't know where the improvement is the coaches keep talking about. He looked worse than preseason by a country mile. His mechanics even seemed to get worse. Obviously the quicker speed and more confusing defenses of games that count caused the regression.

Don't know where I saw it but back when he was still playing there was a long piece on the development of Steve Young and how Bill Walsh coached him up. He said a QB relies on instincts when they are under pressure. One of Young's biggest faults was to take off running if his first read wasn't open and he saw a running lane. He said he would practice making all his reads, and was getting better at not taking off running too soon, yet when the pressure was on like being down late in a game, he would revert back to quickly looking to run.

Young said not until he practiced good habits over and over and over again to the point of exhaustion did the good habits become his instincts. The amount of repetitions that Walsh made him go through bordered on insanity.

So hopefully Haskins just needs time and obviously lots of it. Nobody thought the dumpster fire that was Steve Young early in his career would end up in the Hall of Fame. I am kind of amazed and how bad Haskins mechanics are.
You can get away with a lot as a college QB when you are lining up with guys who are far superior than the guys on the other side of the ball. Now Haskins is lining up with guys inferior to those defending them and it definitely shows.

[rocnrik]

I’ve seen enough .. if rumors are true and the Haskins pick was Snyder’s idea this may be what it takes for him to step aside hire a real football person to run this team .. I’m sorry I know some are hoping it will work out for the kid but for me I don’t think there is any chance he will succeed in this league.. we will have to wait and see if I am right but it does not look good ... and this is not after 1 game. He has been in the building for 6 months .. As bad as keenum is he is by far the best QB on roster .The entertainment value of this team is all the drama and the storylines not the on field performances.. it is what it is...

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

A chance to what? Win and go 2-7? For what? Those players know he is (should be) the future. We have to see what he is or isn’t. He has to keep playing.

A chance to win. Isn't that what they go out to do? This whole notion that they have to find out what we have for next year is a bunch of BS. I think they already know what they have, and that's why he's not starting.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

A chance to win. Isn't that what they go out to do? This whole notion that they have to find out what we have for next year is a bunch of BS. I think they already know what they have, and that's why he's not starting.

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

Your need to determine whether a rookie qb is a bust in the span of a year is wrong IMO. We knew he wasn't pro-ready when we got him, projects take more than a year to develop.

If it were up to me I'd spend the rest of this year prepping him to start for the next coach in 2020. He's not going to be ready in a week, and I wouldn't even put him in a game until he shows that he can run the offense with a base set of plays in practice. If that doesn't happen this year so be it. But we have to give him at least 2 years before we give up on him. This team already has enough holes without adding qb to the list.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Your need to determine whether a rookie qb is a bust in the span of a year is wrong IMO. We knew he wasn't pro-ready when we got him, projects take more than a year to develop.

If it were up to me I'd spend the rest of this year prepping him to start for the next coach in 2020. He's not going to be ready in a week, and I wouldn't even put him in a game until he shows that he can run the offense with a base set of plays in practice. If that doesn't happen this year so be it. But we have to give him at least 2 years before we give up on him. This team already has enough holes without adding qb to the list.

I totally understand your point. But I'll add when the new coach comes in then he should have the power to draft another QB early if he feels it's warranted.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Your need to determine whether a rookie qb is a bust in the span of a year is wrong IMO. We knew he wasn't pro-ready when we got him, projects take more than a year to develop.



If it were up to me I'd spend the rest of this year prepping him to start for the next coach in 2020. He's not going to be ready in a week, and I wouldn't even put him in a game until he shows that he can run the offense with a base set of plays in practice. If that doesn't happen this year so be it. But we have to give him at least 2 years before we give up on him. This team already has enough holes without adding qb to the list.

I am not looking for the kid to be a finished project by years end though. I think 8 games is ample time to see “improvement”. Because if he plays like he has - over the course of the next 8 weeks- without signs of improvement than you can develop him until the cows come home and it won’t matter.
Again, not looking for perfection and there is absolutely no pressure on him at this point to win. Just go show us what you are capable of. If we see “enough” of it we run with him. If we see zero of it we have to consider drafting another guy like the Arizona Cardinals.
I am not giving Haskins three years to blossom into a “decent “ starter while I watch McCoy or Keenum or any other has been/never was flounder around.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No way. He isn’t/wasn’t starting because they don’t think he is ready and he obviously isn’t. But what should they do? They need to use the rest of the season to see if quarterback is a need in the off season. If he plays 8 more games and shows no improvement than we have to seriously consider drafting quarterback.

You can really only do that if he gives the team as good a chance to win as Case, and right now he doesn't if Case is healthy. The coaching staff has the responsibility to play the best players. You can say that you don't care about the wins, but I assure you, the players and coaches do. They aren't thinking about next year's draft. I think they ultimately believe Haskins will be fine, but remember, there was never any intent for him to start this year. No sense in deviating from that plan until he gives the team a better chance to win. Maybe that time comes sometime this year...maybe not.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You can really only do that if he gives the team as good a chance to win as Case, and right now he doesn't if Case is healthy. The coaching staff has the responsibility to play the best players. You can say that you don't care about the wins, but I assure you, the players and coaches do. They aren't thinking about next year's draft. I think they ultimately believe Haskins will be fine, but remember, there was never any intent for him to start this year. No sense in deviating from that plan until he gives the team a better chance to win. Maybe that time comes sometime this year...maybe not.

Case doesn’t give us a chance to win. He gives us a chance to lose by less. That is why we are 1-7. I understand that winning is a good thing, but there comes a point that you need to play for the future of the franchise and not the current weeks absolutely meaningless game. We do not even have a HC, he got fired. Most of this staff will most likely be gone next year too. So not to seem heartless but who gives a fuck what Manusky thinks. I also do not think leaving Haskins on the sidelines to learn a scheme that will in all likelihood be extinct come the end of the season is helpful. What is helpful is giving him game experience which he so lacks. Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. The forest being the future, and the trees being the remaining games of 2019.
Best case scenario leaving Keenum in is we finish with 2 or 3 wins, and have no idea what Haskins has and go through another year without a quarterback. Best case scenario putting Haskins in is we find out what he is and address it before next year.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Case doesn’t give us a chance to win. He gives us a chance to lose by less. That is why we are 1-7. I understand that winning is a good thing, but there comes a point that you need to play for the future of the franchise and not the current weeks absolutely meaningless game. We do not even have a HC, he got fired. Most of this staff will most likely be gone next year too. So not to seem heartless but who gives a fuck what Manusky thinks. I also do not think leaving Haskins on the sidelines to learn a scheme that will in all likelihood be extinct come the end of the season is helpful. What is helpful is giving him game experience which he so lacks. Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. The forest being the future, and the trees being the remaining games of 2019.
Best case scenario leaving Keenum in is we finish with 2 or 3 wins, and have no idea what Haskins has and go through another year without a quarterback. Best case scenario putting Haskins in is we find out what he is and address it before next year.

That is important if you are betting the Redskins and taking the points, as ugly as that 200 yard per game, single digit scoring offense was, they covered the spread the last two games.