Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

interesting.

I could see either scenario. 1 - this is the first olive branch from RR to Trent to let him the door is open ... or 2 - RR/skins tried to reach out to him already privately but he hasnt responded so now they send a public olive branch to continue effortss.

Personally, I dont see him coming back, not sure if I even want him to and at this point I would take a mid to high 2R if that is all we could get.

Can I ask why you wouldn't want a top 3 left tackle back on your roster?

And if your reasoning has anything to do with "he doesn't want to play here, fine! We don't need that attitude here," please save it. This is 2020 and the skins are in no position to be sitting atop a high horse in terms of culture/morals.

Getting him and Scherff back next season is HUGE for our young quarterback and we should explore all avenues of making that happen, if it's even still possible.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by sevier2

Can I ask why you wouldn't want a top 3 left tackle back on your roster?

And if your reasoning has anything to do with "he doesn't want to play here, fine! We don't need that attitude here," please save it. This is 2020 and the skins are in no position to be sitting atop a high horse in terms of culture/morals.

Getting him and Scherff back next season is HUGE for our young quarterback and we should explore all avenues of making that happen, if it's even still possible.

It isn't 2016 any more. PFF ranked Trent 21st at tackle in 2018. He'll be 2 years older in 2020, coming off a season in which he didn't play. I think perhaps you are over-rating him a tad. I'd be fine with him deciding to honor his contract and return, but I won't lose any sleep if he breaks his contract again and we use that money elsewhere - especially if we can get a decent return in a trade. I'm not a fan of offering Williams more money than what he's already agreed to, but I'll trust in RR and accept whatever he decides to do.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by sevier2

Can I ask why you wouldn't want a top 3 left tackle back on your roster?

And if your reasoning has anything to do with "he doesn't want to play here, fine! We don't need that attitude here," please save it. This is 2020 and the skins are in no position to be sitting atop a high horse in terms of culture/morals.

Getting him and Scherff back next season is HUGE for our young quarterback and we should explore all avenues of making that happen, if it's even still possible.

I am a big Trent fan, Trent > Bruce, I agree he is a top 3 LT and LT is the 2nd or 3rd most important position in football.

All that said, he will be 32 by the start of next season. 32 year olds in this league worry about 1 thing - how much money do they have guaranteed if he had a career ending injury tomorrow.

I think his hold out was money based. He had very little in guaranteed money in 2019 and 2020. If the Skins had approached him after 2018 and converted 2019 and 2020 to guaranteed, he would not have held out.

But now, he will be 32 and it will likely take an extension with a large amount guaranteed. I dont know about giving him a 5 yr/75M/50M guaranteed contract.

That doesnt get into the fact that Trent is the last remaining dysfunction left over from the Bruce regime.

Id rather trade him a year early vs a year late.

1st Round - I dont see a team offering that bc I think the new team will have to re-sign him for him to show up and play and that decreases his trade value.

2nd Rounder - if you can get it, I say go for it.

If you can get Trent to show up by guaranteeing his remaining contract here - go for it.

I dont have visions of us being upper tier successful the next 2 years. Our window (Haskins based) is 2022 and beyond.

[Schneed10]

Remember that while we were all here as fans last year for the Trent/Bruce standoff, the regime Trent had a serious problem with is gone. A new regime is here, one that won't feel emotionally dug in over Trent's holdout last year.

Rivera will reach out, interested in starting completely fresh. Blank slate. His interest will be to let bygones be bygones.

Trent will likely find that refreshing and likely find that his distaste for the organization is gone. But his financial concerns may not have been taken care of. If Trent needs more money this year to come in and play, then Rivera will likely decide whether it's worth it, or he'll trade him this year so he can go someplace and get that big deal.

It will end in a conciliatory fashion, no matter what, because of the new regime. I think Rivera's first preference will be to get him back into the fold and I'm guessing that given the cap space available, they'll find it worthwhile to guarantee some dollars and increase his pay.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Remember that while we were all here as fans last year for the Trent/Bruce standoff, the regime Trent had a serious problem with is gone. A new regime is here, one that won't feel emotionally dug in over Trent's holdout last year.

Rivera will reach out, interested in starting completely fresh. Blank slate. His interest will be to let bygones be bygones.

Trent will likely find that refreshing and likely find that his distaste for the organization is gone. But his financial concerns may not have been taken care of. If Trent needs more money this year to come in and play, then Rivera will likely decide whether it's worth it, or he'll trade him this year so he can go someplace and get that big deal.

It will end in a conciliatory fashion, no matter what, because of the new regime. I think Rivera's first preference will be to get him back into the fold and I'm guessing that given the cap space available, they'll find it worthwhile to guarantee some dollars and increase his pay.

This.

My take on the news item is that RR hasn't heard from TW or his agent so he's setting the scene for discussion, confirming nothing is off the table yet. RR doesn't seem the kind of guy to play things out in the media, use them as a tool etc. because that can backfire. I can't remember a holdout in his time with the Panthers so it strikes me that he's simply answered an honest question with an honest answer. It's now up to TW whether he takes that call or indeed makes the call himself.

But I just can't see an outcome where TW thinks he's still slighted because if he doesn't come back he'll want the best deal he can get elsewhere. For that he has to at least appear to be willing to negotiate.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Rivera will reach out, interested in starting completely fresh. Blank slate. His interest will be to let bygones be bygones.

It will end in a conciliatory fashion, no matter what, because of the new regime. I think Rivera's first preference will be to get him back into the fold and I'm guessing that given the cap space available, they'll find it worthwhile to guarantee some dollars and increase his pay.

I find myself agreeing with your posts a lot lately. Either your posts have educated me or I don't yet realize that I've had a stroke.

Anyway, I think you're right about the Trent situation. They'll probably put together a nice package of monetary and personal inducements for Trent. Why not guarantee the remainder of his contract in its entirety or rework a symbolic "Redskin for Life" contract? Let him know that he'll be re-named a Team Captain at the appropriate time just by coming back and being the leader he's always been plus, by coming back, he will guarantee himself a place in the Redskins Ring of Honor, and so forth.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I find myself agreeing with your posts a lot lately. Either your posts have educated me or I don't yet realize that I've had a stroke.



Anyway, I think you're right about the Trent situation. They'll probably put together a nice package of monetary and personal inducements for Trent. Why not guarantee the remainder of his contract in its entirety or rework a symbolic "Redskin for Life" contract? Let him know that he'll be re-named a Team Captain at the appropriate time just by coming back and being the leader he's always been plus, by coming back, he will guarantee himself a place in the Redskins Ring of Honor, and so forth.

Just curious, not disagreeing, but how you do that for TW, but then let RK go if they in fact do.

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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just curious, not disagreeing, but how you do that for TW, but then let RK go if they in fact do.

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Business?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just curious, not disagreeing, but how you do that for TW, but then let RK go if they in fact do.

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Two different situations. TW made no secret of his disdain for the medical staff. And if the things I have read are true, the medical staff was let go when Rivera was hired. TW under contract for 2 more years. The environment has changed and I think TW comes back.

RK, easy decision. You guys draft Chase Young at #2, it makes RK and that veteran contract expendable.

[JPPT1974]

Kind of wonder what will happen now as if Trent were here in 2019 would it make a little difference with the team.

[Irrefutable]

So does Trent have 2 years left on his contract? Then trade him, you cannot count on him otherwise. A high pick and a mid-round pick would be fair.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

So does Trent have 2 years left on his contract? Then trade him, you cannot count on him otherwise. A high pick and a mid-round pick would be fair.

1 i think

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

So does Trent have 2 years left on his contract? Then trade him, you cannot count on him otherwise. A high pick and a mid-round pick would be fair.

He has one year left on his contract. He’s not going to bring two draft picks in a trade. Bruce Allen totally mismanaged that trade possibility last year (surprised?) when we might have received a first and another high pick with the Texans.

Right now we would get a second round pick, period. If you resign TW now, it would most likely be a 3 year contract with lots of guaranteed money, which is what he wants. He probably plays for us for two years at a good to very good level. He’s had a year to recover from prior injuries so he should be in great shape for his age. If he’s NOT in great shape, he will not be resigned but traded.

Trent was a team captain. He was the best player on this dysfunctional team for many years. He was well liked by his teammates and coaches. Let’s forget last year and just bring him back to solidify this OL.

The team will draft at least one OT in the draft and multiple picks in UDFA. If the team gets a backup OL player they’ll be happy. If they get a starter, they’ll be very happy. But remember unless the team can resign some players the OL will be a hollow disaster. We’ll need a OG to replace Flowers, Scherff; and an OT to replace Trent/Penn; the Center position is weak; Moses had a terrible year in terms of play and he was a plague with penalties. All we have on the plus side is Martin. Christian is a bust. How is Haskins going to grow with a crappy OL?

Spend the money to resign Trent, as long as he is truly healthy; spend the big bucks to resign Scherff; spend the average money for Flowers; release Penn and Christian and Moses.

Draft an OT in the fourth or fifth round, bring in 3-4 OT in UDFA and hope one is a starters and one a project or backup. Move Martin into C or to replace Moses. Pick up one good OL FA to replace the C or Moses.

This OL is two years from being settled with decent backups. In the 2021 draft I think the team will need to draft high for the OL. Trent is worth the money. Forget this last year, both sides had points.


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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

So does Trent have 2 years left on his contract? Then trade him, you cannot count on him otherwise. A high pick and a mid-round pick would be fair.

That's a good question. From what I understood because he was on the "non football injury list" the team could argue that last season shouldn't count as accrued, and the Redskins would have rights on his contract up until the 2021 season... But Williams and the NFLPA could fight that.
So I'm guessing all of that depends on if you wanna bring him back and extend him (in which case it doesn't matter that much), or if you want to trade him (which would only make sense if you did have rights for 2 more seasons).

Does anybody have more info on that matter ?

[Bishop Hammer]

Kerrigan isn't going to command that much money and with the D-Line revamped it will take him out of offenses scopes and his numbers will improve. His numbers have dropped but he is still a valuable player and on field leader.