The Haskins Threat

[sdskinsfan2001]

Per Gregg Rosenthal tweet:

Since taking over as the Washington starter in Week 9, Dwayne Haskins’ PFF grade is 17th out of 38 qualifiers.

Not great, not walk him off the plank bad either. Draft Chase Young or Andrew Thomas.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Per Gregg Rosenthal tweet:

Since taking over as the Washington starter in Week 9, Dwayne Haskins’ PFF grade is 17th out of 38 qualifiers.

Not great, not walk him off the plank bad either. Draft Chase Young or Andrew Thomas.

I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.

I have no idea how PFF grades their games/players. But I know its a widely used tool. Not an end all/be all by any stretch. I'm sure there are other legit sources that have him lower. Just another tool to use.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I have no idea how PFF grades their games/players. But I know its a widely used tool. Not an end all/be all by any stretch. I'm sure there are other legit sources that have him lower. Just another tool to use.

Players are graded by every snap they take via coaches film through 3 levels (the last being graded by former NFL/NCAA players or coaches) So say I grade a game by Haskins Sunday night, that gets looked over by a reviewer (former coach) then the final step is always Bruce Gradkowski who is our QB guy.

All 32 teams use the grading system and all D1 Power 5 schools as well

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Players are graded by every snap they take via coaches film through 3 levels (the last being graded by former NFL/NCAA players or coaches) So say I grade a game by Haskins Sunday night, that gets looked over by a reviewer (former coach) then the final step is always Bruce Gradkowski who is our QB guy.



All 32 teams use the grading system and all D1 Power 5 schools as well

How do all 32 teams use the grading system?

Specifically, how do the Redskins use the grading system?

And what evidence do you have to support that statement?




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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I would be interested how they use fun with numbers to come up with that as he is on the bottom or close to it in most all statistical categories.
In his 5 starts he has completed 55% of his passes, been sacked 22 times and averages 137 net passing yards a game and PFF claims that grades out as average? You can't be serious, utter nonsense.

We don't look at stats while grading players, I can see how you would think its nonsense and fake but his grades are 17th in that span due to his QB Grades. Every throw is graded and say he has a game with 5 drops (he did) that doesn't hurt him but the completion % doesn't take that into consideration.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We don't look at stats while grading players, I can see how you would think its nonsense and fake but his grades are 17th in that span due to his QB Grades. Every throw is graded and say he has a game with 5 drops (he did) that doesn't hurt him but the completion % doesn't take that into consideration.

Do the grades take sacks into consideration? Those are drive killers and most are on Haskins for holding the ball too long. Also every QB has drops. In fact his completion % should be lower if he would throw the ball away instead of taking sacks. What about his 137 net yards a game?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Do the grades take sacks into consideration? Those are drive killers and most are on Haskins for holding the ball too long. Also every QB has drops. In fact his completion % should be lower if he would throw the ball away instead of taking sacks. What about his 137 net yards a game?

Yes , if he has a clean pocket through his progression and still gets sacked that's a negative grade on him. Clean pocket for us consist of if he can get to his 2nd read, if he's hit before that 2nd read it's not a negative grade just given a 0 for the play.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes , if he has a clean pocket through his progression and still gets sacked that's a negative grade on him. Clean pocket for us consist of if he can get to his 2nd read, if he's hit before that 2nd read it's not a negative grade just given a 0 for the play.

Is each play graded on a 1 to 10 based on certain criteria?

How did you go about getting this job? Not saying you're not qualified or anything, just pretty interesting we have a Warpather working for a major NFL grading/scouting company.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Is each play graded on a 1 to 10 based on certain criteria?

How did you go about getting this job? Not saying you're not qualified or anything, just pretty interesting we have a Warpather working for a major NFL grading/scouting company.

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff...arterback-play

As for the job process you have a 6 month training process to go through, and that's if you pass their pre test. 90% Of my work is QB charting / Coverage grading , I played QB in HS and helped coach a my school afterwards before joining the army so I've always wanted to work in the industry. They usually have a hiring process in the Off/season if they have any slots available.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes , if he has a clean pocket through his progression and still gets sacked that's a negative grade on him. Clean pocket for us consist of if he can get to his 2nd read, if he's hit before that 2nd read it's not a negative grade just given a 0 for the play.

Does technique effect grades? If he throws off his back foot or side arms a pass when not under dress, does that matter? I am sure the grading systems have changed a lot in the 40 years that have passed since I played in High School and College. Proper technique was a big part of your grade where I came from, an O-lineman could pancake the dude he was run blocking, but if his head was on the wrong side of the defender and his foot work wasn't right he would get a 50 out of 100% for that play. The actual end result of the play was only half the grade. On the flip side you could have been the dude getting pancaked and still get a 50 if you did everything right other than getting over powered and knocked on your ass.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes , if he has a clean pocket through his progression and still gets sacked that's a negative grade on him. Clean pocket for us consist of if he can get to his 2nd read, if he's hit before that 2nd read it's not a negative grade just given a 0 for the play.

If he doesn't have a clean pocket because he slid his protection the wrong way; does Haskins get docked or does the hapless offensive lineman who appears to get beat and looks ridiculous?

What process do the PFF evaluators go through to determine scheme responsibility?

Haskins has been sacked 26 times in 160 attempts.

Keenum was sacked 12 times in 188 attempts.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...lays-attempted

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...g-plays-sacked

Maybe if somebody shared Haskins' PFF grades with the Oline they would have had a different reaction on the sidelines.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

If he doesn't have a clean pocket because he slid his protection the wrong way; does Haskins get docked or does the hapless offensive lineman who appears to get beat and looks ridiculous?

What process do the PFF evaluators go through to determine scheme responsibility?

Haskins has been sacked 26 times in 160 attempts.

Keenum was sacked 12 times in 188 attempts.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...lays-attempted

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/pla...g-plays-sacked

Maybe if somebody shared Haskins' PFF grades with the Oline they would have had a different reaction on the sidelines.

All great Questions, the OL is graded on a separate scale but by player basis not group grades. As for the blocking schemes I do not look at those, the OL/DL staff does all of that fun stuff so I couldn't give a good answer on that.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We don't look at stats while grading players, I can see how you would think its nonsense and fake but his grades are 17th in that span due to his QB Grades. Every throw is graded and say he has a game with 5 drops (he did) that doesn't hurt him but the completion % doesn't take that into consideration.

I do not give a rats ass if you guys grade him 17. Lol. What isn’t taken into consideration is making the right reads, or footwork / technique. Choosing when to run not pass. Etc. Not just pff but any grading system . Yes over the course of years the stats become a measurement of success overall, but in such a small handful of games i think pff is pretty meaningless.
And that is awesome Okie. Awesome gig. Good for you. Who is the spoiled rich kid you n Buffalo are referring to?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I do not give a rats ass if you guys grade him 17. Lol. What isn’t taken into consideration is making the right reads, or footwork / technique. Choosing when to run not pass. Etc. Not just pff but any grading system . Yes over the course of years the stats become a measurement of success overall, but in such a small handful of games i think pff is pretty meaningless.
And that is awesome Okie. Awesome gig. Good for you. Who is the spoiled rich kid you n Buffalo are referring to?

I think we are referring to different ones, just that a rich kid can get preferential treatment from a coach in High School if his parents have some influence over a program. My case was back in the 70's where I grew up in So Cal. Our QB sucked, he was our weak link. His dad bought our team a lot of new equipment so he was pretty much the QB for 3 years, no questions asked. I don't think he ever had a 100 yard passing game.