The Haskins Threat

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I'm a huge fan of the metrics at FootballOutsiders but they have flaws also.

I emailed them either last season or the season before asking for more details on what is and isn't measured in their Oline adjusted line yards metric.

The purpose of the email was to see if all the blown blocks by our TE unit was attributed to the terrible ranking of the Oline in the run game.

They emailed back and said it's all numbers, no subjectivity and that the units weren't distinguished.

So, in theory we may have had a much better Oline in the running game than that metric indicated. We might have been brought down by the TE group and Fat Rob hitting the wrong hole, but every other team was measured the exact same way.

Football outsiders Oline metric is good with the overall unit on run game, but their pass protection measure is horseshit.

But agree with on qb calling wrong protection and also as Cooley and Sheehan have kinda pointed out, does the graders at PFF understand proper assignments of olinemen, defensive secondary and Linebackers?

It’s not a perfect science...but I think PFF is getting better at what they do.

I think the biggest thing we have to remember with players, performance...man, the coaching scheme matters a lot. Also, naturally talented athletes and players can lift an entire unit because opposing coaches have to over compensate minimize the impact of the higher talented player.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Football outsiders Oline metric is good with the overall unit on run game, but their pass protection measure is horseshit.

But agree with on qb calling wrong protection and also as Cooley and Sheehan have kinda pointed out, does the graders at PFF understand proper assignments of olinemen, defensive secondary and Linebackers?

It’s not a perfect science...but I think PFF is getting better at what they do.

I think the biggest thing we have to remember with players, performance...man, the coaching scheme matters a lot. Also, naturally talented athletes and players can lift an entire unit because opposing coaches have to over compensate minimize the impact of the higher talented player.

This part is a yes, all overages / schemes are charted every game.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This part is a yes, all overages / schemes are charted every game.

Cool, it’s important.

My biggest want from PFF would be more data to support the overall grade. As an Example, they should chart items for defense such as: missed tackle/opportunity to tackle..like a tackling percentage, blown coverage responsibly in the secondary, number of times defenders get hands on ball, etc.

Offense I would like more numbers like yards after contact, tackles broken, completion percentage by pass catchers, completion percentages broken down by air yards for qb, etc. olinemen: missed blocks, key block responsibility which lead to loss of yards and key block responsibility which lead to breaking a big play.

Also, penalties responsibility by each player and total yards cost.

Make it happen...

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cool, it’s important.

My biggest want from PFF would be more data to support the overall grade. As an Example, they should chart items for defense such as: missed tackle/opportunity to tackle..like a tackling percentage, blown coverage responsibly in the secondary, number of times defenders get hands on ball, etc.

Offense I would like more numbers like yards after contact, tackles broken, completion percentage by pass catchers, completion percentages broken down by air yards for qb, etc. olinemen: missed blocks, key block responsibility which lead to loss of yards and key block responsibility which lead to breaking a big play.

Also, penalties responsibility by each player and total yards cost.

Make it happen...

Me too my man haha, It's in the works