Ron Rivera Thread

[MTK]

Think what you will of RR but the team clearly out kicked it's coverage in getting him here. He would have had his choice of just about any opening.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by MTK

Think what you will of RR but the team clearly out kicked it's coverage in getting him here. He would have had his choice of just about any opening.

Dallas rumors were flying around, we really got lucky.

[skinsfaninok]

At the end of the day, he has to win, probably won't do much this yr with this young roster but if he has a below .500 record after year 3 he'll be gone

[SunnySide]

Heard a guy on sports radio say

"The 2 most important positions in the NFL are QB and Head Coach .. and theyre both the hardest to get right."

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Heard a guy on sports radio say

"The 2 most important positions in the NFL are QB and Head Coach .. and theyre both the hardest to get right."

If we have the right guys at those spots they could overcome a bad owner

[Warthog]

Rivera has a very good record and went to the SB. It remains to see how he will do here in Washington but I am optimistic.

The BIGGEST change that he has already been made was to FORCE owner Dan Snyder to make many concessions before Rivera would even be INTERVIEWED. Snyder had to give up his prior meddling in the team’s affairs, any inputs into personnel decision-making and using a proxy GM like Allen and Cerrato to do his bidding regarding football operations. All that is gone. I doubt any future HC will want anything less from Snyder.

The name change issue and the allegations of sexual harassment within the organization have made Snyder even more dependent on Rivera to fix the the many, many problems of this franchise. Snyder needs Rivera MUCH MORE than the reverse.

If Rivera is successful as the HC, it will increase his power in the organization even more. Dan Snyder needs either to sell the team or just STFU and let NFL-savvy people like Rivera to run ALL the operations there. Everything Snyder has touched in his 20-year tenure as owner has gone to absolute shitte. He’s lucky to get a real achiever like Rivera onboard. This team can only go up with Rivera. Not only because he’s a real true-believer in a good football culture, but also because Snyder can not continue to hurt the team with his meddlesome and harmful interference in the team’s personnel decisions or daily operations.


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[jamf]

Originally Posted by Warthog

The BIGGEST change that he has already been made was to FORCE owner Dan Snyder to make many concessions before Rivera would even be INTERVIEWED. Snyder had to give up his prior meddling in the team’s affairs, any inputs into personnel decision-making and using a proxy GM like Allen and Cerrato to do his bidding regarding football operations. All that is gone. I doubt any future HC will want anything less from Snyder.

I feel like we said this when Shanahan and Gibbs 2.0 took control.
Hopefully is this finally the year Snyder steps aside.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jamf

I feel like we said this when Shanahan and Gibbs 2.0 took control.
Hopefully this finally the year Snyder steps aside.

Yeah 20 years of the same nonsense under Snyder. We've had great coaches come and go like Schottenheimer, Shanahan, and Gibbs. None of them left with a winning record here. No reason to believe things will truly change until we see it happen.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by jamf

I feel like we said this when Shanahan and Gibbs 2.0 took control.
Hopefully is this finally the year Snyder steps aside.

The problem and difference in the Gibbs and Shanahan era was the presence of Cerrato (Gibbs) and Bruce Allen (Shanahan). Both those guys had a very powerful quasi GM / VP role in the team structure, as well as being the errant boys for Snyder. Both these guys were part of EVERY personnel acquisition, drafting, picking up UDFA, future contracts, etc.
The biggest problem is that they were terrible GM’s and interjected themselves into every part of the football operation.

Snyder wanted to copy his idol, Jerry Jones, in terms of being in the decision loop for EVERYTHING. The biggest problem is that Snyder and his lackey’s (Cerrato & Allen) have little real NFL knowledge. Or in Bruce Allen’s case they had some knowledge but made really bad decisions, or let his emotions enter into their decision-making process, as happened in the Trent Williams drama. Bruce Allen was probably the WORST GM over his ten-year tenure. With his awful record he would have lasted 3-4 years anywhere else.

You can’t build a winning football operation without a very good GM and without a clear path of decision-making for the HC. Having Cerrato & Allen acting as the GM, as well as Snyder being involved with all the big football decisions was a recipe for disaster. Our record was terrible for 20 years under the Snyder and his toady’s interference in the football / personnel decision. We averaged 10 losses per season for these 2 decades. You are what your record says you are and we were at the bottom.

Rivera wouldn’t even interview with Snyder until he had assurances that:

1. Rivera would decide on who would be the GM.
2. No person in the Cerrato/Allen mode would becbuilt into the team structure.
3. Snyder is the owner, but it’s Rivera who is making all the NFL decisions for the team. Snyder is basically out of the loop, except at the end.

Ending the Allen/Cerrato-type person in the organization is HUGE. Ending Snyder’s interference is HUGE. Rivera is also in his prime years as a coach, vs. Gibbs/Shanahan who were in the twilight of their career.
It was IMPOSSIBLE to win consistently with the old structure and interference. I especially think Shanahan could have succeeded here if the system and the GM is like it is now.

This isn’t a repeat of all the HC who failed here over 20 years. The team structure is very, very different in that Rivera has the power and is the prime decision-maker. Rivera has grown even more powerful with the latest sexual harassment allegations. Rivera has said that he is surprised at how much NON-FOOTBALL decisions he is making. Before this year, Snyder and his lackey would make those decisions. That’s why we failed and that’s why everything has really CHANGED for the better internally, not just on the surface as it did for two decades.


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[irish]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Rivera has a very good record and went to the SB. It remains to see how he will do here in Washington but I am optimistic.

The BIGGEST change that he has already been made was to FORCE owner Dan Snyder to make many concessions before Rivera would even be INTERVIEWED. Snyder had to give up his prior meddling in the team’s affairs, any inputs into personnel decision-making and using a proxy GM like Allen and Cerrato to do his bidding regarding football operations. All that is gone. I doubt any future HC will want anything less from Snyder.

The name change issue and the allegations of sexual harassment within the organization have made Snyder even more dependent on Rivera to fix the the many, many problems of this franchise. Snyder needs Rivera MUCH MORE than the reverse.

If Rivera is successful as the HC, it will increase his power in the organization even more. Dan Snyder needs either to sell the team or just STFU and let NFL-savvy people like Rivera to run ALL the operations there. Everything Snyder has touched in his 20-year tenure as owner has gone to absolute shitte. He’s lucky to get a real achiever like Rivera onboard. This team can only go up with Rivera. Not only because he’s a real true-believer in a good football culture, but also because Snyder can not continue to hurt the team with his meddlesome and harmful interference in the team’s personnel decisions or daily operations.


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The narrative that RR has a very good record just isn't true. In 9 years as Carolina HC he had 3 winning seasons. Those three winning seasons have high win totals and a SB appearance but the majority of his HC career isn't successful.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

The narrative that RR has a very good record just isn't true. In 9 years as Carolina HC he had 3 winning seasons. Those three winning seasons have high win totals and a SB appearance but the majority of his HC career isn't successful.

He was the best we could get but that doesn't mean he will come in and start winning games. I think we need to give him 3 full years to judge but yeah overall he's just an average HC

[Monkeydad]

^ Good assessment. Agreed 100%.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

May be a bit premature but...

Former #Panthers coach Ron Rivera has emerged as a top coaching candidate & has told people he expects a deal to come together quickly, sources say. It could even be 24 hours after Week 17 ends. The #Redskins have interest, tho other teams without openings yet are also circling.

Also from Jay Glazer " Ron Rivera will sign a deal with Washington tonight to make him the teams next HC"


Winning record ✅
Leader ✅
Playoffs & SB experience ✅
Defensive focus 😏

All of these have already come to reality.

I am a HUGE Rivera guy and I'm all in on this process. Dude is a winner and leader. Huge hire for this organization

[Back2RFK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

All of these have already come to reality.

I am a HUGE Rivera guy and I'm all in on this process. Dude is a winner and leader. Huge hire for this organization

After yesterday you have to also add quiter.

[GridIron26]

It's still too early but yes so far, it looks like to be an amazing hire by Snyder..