Coaching and Front Office Changes

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

It's official, Scott Turner is the guy

for coordinator or QB coach?

Regardless, I have trust in Rivera.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mooby

for coordinator or qb coach?

Regardless, i have trust in rivera.

o.c

[CRedskinsRule]

My only concern is that we are literally doing the same thing BA was always panned for. Going to his old team and pulling all the same characters that led the Panthers to up and down seasons.

Time will tell.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[skinsfan69]

Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.

[harriet33]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.

Exactly...not impressed with RR so far.

[Number44]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.

Well, in fairness, we scored the fewest points in the NFL. Perhaps a new learning curve is in order.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Not a big fan of the Turner hire. New offense means a learning curve for an already young offense. Plus Turner was an OC for like 5 minutes. This screams good old boy hire if you ask me.

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league.

This is a great point.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

Well to be fair Scott Turner was OC for an even shorter time.

And wasn't even Panther's OC until Rivera was fired.
from Wikipedia

On December 3, 2019, the Panthers, fired Ron Rivera and made Perry Fewell interim head coach. A few days later, Turner's father was moved from offensive coordinator to special assistant to the head coach while Turner himself was promoted to offensive coordinator replacing his father

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well to be fair Scott Turner was OC for an even shorter time.

And wasn't even Panther's OC until Rivera was fired.
from Wikipedia




Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

And he really improved their offense - with a 3rd string QB - in those 4 weeks.

What has KOC ever done here to care about? He's NOT Matt Lafleur and he's certainly not Sean McVay. He may be there one day, but he's nowhere close to being in their league now.

KOC's days here were numbered the second the season was over. It would have been foolish to promote him to HC and unreasonable to expect any new HC to just hand him the job based on the mediocre (at best) job he'd done here. KOC and Turner are basically on the same level as far as i'm concerned.

Snyder was quick and decisive in hiring Rivera - clearly the top HC candidate in the offseason - and Rivera has been quick and decisive in assembling his staff. Its clear that Rivera is getting his top choices and not settling for anything. We've been screaming for YEARS that we need to let the football people make the football decisions. Its finally happening. I'm not going to whine because some Kevin freaking OConnell is leaving.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

And he really improved their offense - with a 3rd string QB - in those 4 weeks.



What has KOC ever done here to care about? He's NOT Matt Lafleur and he's certainly not Sean McVay. He may be there one day, but he's nowhere close to being in their league now.



KOC's days here were numbered the second the season was over. It would have been foolish to promote him to HC and unreasonable to expect any new HC to just hand him the job based on the mediocre (at best) job he'd done here. KOC and Turner are basically on the same level as far as i'm concerned.



Snyder was quick and decisive in hiring Rivera - clearly the top HC candidate in the offseason - and Rivera has been quick and decisive in assembling his staff. Its clear that Rivera is getting his top choices and not settling for anything. We've been screaming for YEARS that we need to let the football people make the football decisions. Its finally happening. I'm not going to whine because some Kevin freaking OConnell is leaving.

Just clarifying, I am fine that Rivera is hiring his guy. I was not a KOC must stay guy. But to say that KOC hasn't proven anything here is as true as Scott Turner hasn't proven anything either. Hopefully Scott Turner comes in, develops a relationship with Haskins, and our offense takes off.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

You're trying to make it into a black-and-white thing with the stats, but it's not so cut and dry.

We had the worst offense in the league because we stuck a rookie quarterback out there who wasn't ready, with 3 rookie wideouts and Trey Quinn/Paul Richardson, and a 3rd string TE as the starter. And your starting running back missed half the year, came back and played like 6ish? games and then got injured again, and his backup is a 35yo HOFer who isn't the guy he once was.

Whereas if you look at the detailed picture, you'd see after struggling initially Haskins and co. came on strong in the last 2 games before Haskins got hurt. So there are pieces to work with for next year, and acting like KOC should've hit the ground running as soon as he became playcaller, with the talent he had to work with, is asinine.

Anyways it's a moot point because KOC is leaving. But the shit on him here knowing the talent he had to work with and all the dysfunction on the coaching and training staffs is amazing. There's a reason multiple teams wanted to interview him after 2018.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mooby

You're trying to make it into a black-and-white thing with the stats, but it's not so cut and dry.

We had the worst offense in the league because we stuck a rookie quarterback out there who wasn't ready, with 3 rookie wideouts and Trey Quinn/Paul Richardson, and a 3rd string TE as the starter. And your starting running back missed half the year, came back and played like 6ish? games and then got injured again, and his backup is a 35yo HOFer who isn't the guy he once was.

Whereas if you look at the detailed picture, you'd see after struggling initially Haskins and co. came on strong in the last 2 games before Haskins got hurt. So there are pieces to work with for next year, and acting like KOC should've hit the ground running as soon as he became playcaller, with the talent he had to work with, is asinine.

Anyways it's a moot point because KOC is leaving. But the shit on him here knowing the talent he had to work with and all the dysfunction on the coaching and training staffs is amazing. There's a reason multiple teams wanted to interview him after 2018.

This...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

KOC was an OC for like 5 minutes as well, and presided over the worst offense in the league. Turner is, by default, an upgrade.

Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Actually he was the OC the entire year. But that's besides the point. You're asking a young QB who played one year of college, struggled with the playbook, protections, formations and spitting out the plays correctly to start all over. Once he finally starts to get all that down and we see a little bit of progress you make him learn a new offense.

I feel that RR should have taken notice of the things I mentioned and left KOC in place because that was what's best for DH.

As others have mentioned everyone does the good old boy hires in the NFL. I get that. It's just part of the business that will never change.

I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?