Ron Rivera Thread

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

The signs have been promising every time it happened except for Zorn.

2001: Oh he hired respected no-nonsense coach Marty Schottenheimer? What could go wrong!

2002: Ok, maybe he clashed with Schottenheimer. Spurrier runs that run'n'gun though, he's gonna have the Skins averaging 40 a game!

2004: O' holy father, thank you for answering my prayers. May Gibbs return this dumpster fire to the top of glory mountain.

2008: Well Gibbs ended on a sad note but at lea... wait what? Jim Fassel? ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK DAN? Fine, fine! We'll settle for Jim Zorn, even he can't be that bad compared to Fassel.

2010: Well we're not feeling Zorny anymore, but praise be! Cerrato has been removed, Bruce Allen has previous football experience and Mike Shanahan is a well respected head coach who has 2 titles under his belt!

2014: Well even Shanahan couldn't drag us out of the depths of hell, but Jay Gruden runs a good looking offense over there in Cincy!

2019: JESUS FUCKING CHRIST FIRE BRUCE ALLEN ALREADY! What's this? Nobody with any self-respect will work here as long as Allen does? Yay!!!!!! Itistheonlyway.

The thing that differs for me, and maybe I don't have all the intel about the previous experiences, is that this time it's not only about the hiring of RR, it's also about the firing of BA AND the fact that RR is seemingly asking for and getting total control and Dan's hands off football decisions.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The thing that differs for me, and maybe I don't have all the intel about the previous experiences, is that this time it's not only about the hiring of RR, it's also about the firing of BA AND the fact that RR is seemingly asking for and getting total control and Dan's hands off football decisions.

Rivera already said he doesn't want total control, he just wants to play nice with the GM and pick his 46 for game days. Oh, and take any disagreements to the owner and let the owner settle it.

My only point is it's natural to get excited, we cleaned the house and it's a fresh start. It doesn't mean anything until we start putting wins on the board.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Rivera already said he doesn't want total control, he just wants to play nice with the GM and pick his 46 for game days. Oh, and take any disagreements to the owner and let the owner settle it.

My only point is it's natural to get excited, we cleaned the house and it's a fresh start. It doesn't mean anything until we start putting wins on the board.

He said that but he also said he wanted some guarantees that the FO guys would be on the same page as he did, that nobody would interfere with his football decisions and that he wants control on this year's draft. That's obviously way more control than what Jay had.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

He said that but he also said he wanted some guarantees that the FO guys would be on the same page as he did, that nobody would interfere with his football decisions and that he wants control on this year's draft. That's obviously way more control than what Jay had.

Exactly. I think Rivera saw what happened to all the other great (Gibbs, Shanahan), good (Schottie) and”why did you hire this guy” (Zorn) HC’s of the Redskins and wanted to avoid their biggest hinderance - which was interference of Snyder and Cerrato/Allen. Rivera asked for and was given total control of the football aspects of the team - TO KEEP DAN SNYDER OUT OF THE MANAGEMENT of operations. That is a HUGE & POSITIVE change for this team.

What is also exciting is that the team and Rivera are moving rapidly to get the people & coaches in place NOW, and to begin to rebuild the franchise from the ground up. The Giants and Cowboys haven’t moved yet on changes or not. I think we’ll see some coaches from Carolina migrate over for Rivera and maybe a couple key players from the Panthers. The future is now!


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[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Exactly. I think Rivera saw what happened to all the other great (Gibbs, Shanahan), good (Schottie) and”why did you hire this guy” (Zorn) HC’s of the Redskins and wanted to avoid their biggest hinderance - which was interference of Snyder and Cerrato/Allen. Rivera asked for and was given total control of the football aspects of the team - TO KEEP DAN SNYDER OUT OF THE MANAGEMENT of operations. That is a HUGE & POSITIVE change for this team.

What is also exciting is that the team and Rivera are moving rapidly to get the people & coaches in place NOW, and to begin to rebuild the franchise from the ground up. The Giants and Cowboys haven’t moved yet on changes or not. I think we’ll see some coaches from Carolina migrate over for Rivera and maybe a couple key players from the Panthers. The future is now!


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Shanny asked for that too even pen to paper didn't quite work out that way.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Shanny asked for that too even pen to paper didn't quite work out that way.

Let’s hope the time since then for Dan to reflect on how terrible his meddling issues have impacted the organization have helped him make changes moving forward

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Shanny asked for that too even pen to paper didn't quite work out that way.

Yeah, but he had Bruce Allen built into the management structure to do Dan Snyder’s bidding. Allen has enormous power over personnel choices and other matters. There is no such person in place now , and Rivera has the right to decline any person who Snyder might try to bring in under the old pattern. I am cautiously optimistic that Snyder and his meddling and micromanagement is over.

The next GM and VP will be NFL-savvy and of a far better quality than Cerrato/Allen. They also will only be chosen if they can work closely with Rivera and his crew.

Finally, I’m not suggesting that Snyder is closed out of all football issues. He’ll be informed by Rivera. But his current, secret advisor group has far more football knowledge than before and are NOT part of the organization, which means that they’re not giving advise in order to maintain their position in the franchise or to improve it (like with Bruce Allen).

A good example of the “before” and “after” Snyder is the case of OC, O’Connell. In prior years, Snyder would have just placed O’Connell as Rivera’s OC. Now, Rivera made the decision. I’m sure Snyder gave Rivera his thoughts on O’Connell, but in the end it was Rivera’s decision. New environment and hopefully a new way of doing business. Because this new way is the only way to successfully rebuild this team and franchise.




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[Number44]

Originally Posted by Warthog

Yeah, but he had Bruce Allen built into the management structure to do Dan Snyder’s bidding. Allen has enormous power over personnel choices and other matters. There is no such person in place now , and Rivera has the right to decline any person who Snyder might try to bring in under the old pattern. I am cautiously optimistic that Snyder and his meddling and micromanagement is over.

The next GM and VP will be NFL-savvy and of a far better quality than Cerrato/Allen. They also will only be chosen if they can work closely with Rivera and his crew.

Finally, I’m not suggesting that Snyder is closed out of all football issues. He’ll be informed by Rivera. But his current, secret advisor group has far more football knowledge than before and are NOT part of the organization, which means that they’re not giving advise in order to maintain their position in the franchise or to improve it (like with Bruce Allen).

A good example of the “before” and “after” Snyder is the case of OC, O’Connell. In prior years, Snyder would have just placed O’Connell as Rivera’s OC. Now, Rivera made the decision. I’m sure Snyder gave Rivera his thoughts on O’Connell, but in the end it was Rivera’s decision. New environment and hopefully a new way of doing business. Because this new way is the only way to successfully rebuild this team and franchise.

What decision? I haven't seen where a decision's been made on OC. Have I missed something?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

He said that but he also said he wanted some guarantees that the FO guys would be on the same page as he did, that nobody would interfere with his football decisions and that he wants control on this year's draft. That's obviously way more control than what Jay had.

Source? I've heard he wants a partnership with the GM and would like to have the ability to take any disagreements to the owner to settle, but I've heard nothing about him wanting full control on the draft.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Source? I've heard he wants a partnership with the GM and would like to have the ability to take any disagreements to the owner to settle, but I've heard nothing about him wanting full control on the draft.

I've read it several times but here's the link I found, per Julie Donaldson NBC Sports Washington:

"Am told Rivera would have total control and final say on Draft. Gives time to evaluate scouting staff. ALL this given unless something in meeting tomorrow goes wrong"

I'dd add it goes along with Dan saying Ron Rivera is going to be the one and only voice of the Redkins in the press conf.

Our Head Coach is gonna be the face of this franchise and I'm on board with that.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I've read it several times but here's the link I found, per Julie Donaldson NBC Sports Washington:

"Am told Rivera would have total control and final say on Draft. Gives time to evaluate scouting staff. ALL this given unless something in meeting tomorrow goes wrong"

I'dd add it goes along with Dan saying Ron Rivera is going to be the one and only voice of the Redkins in the press conf.

Our Head Coach is gonna be the face of this franchise and I'm on board with that.

The way I took your post was that Ron Rivera had asked for total control over the draft process. That's my bad for misinterpreting your post.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

The way I took your post was that Ron Rivera had asked for total control over the draft process. That's my bad for misinterpreting your post.

Maybe my post wasn't that clear either. My overall point is Rivera is asking for, and getting, way more control than the previous coaches were getting. And that's including Shanahan who was overruled by the owner on his effin' starting QB.

Rivera obviously is aware of the previous mistakes made by this organisation, and it seems he sat down and talked about it with Dan in a honest and up front enough way to get insurance he wouldn't get down that road with him.