Coaching and Front Office Changes

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I definitely like that O'Connell isn't just being handed the job. He's been touted as a bright up and coming offensive mind, but what, exactly, has he actually done? He's called plays for what, 13 games this year? And its not like our offense was on fire, either.

For the sake of continuity, I have no problem with keeping him on in some capacity, even as OC, but we definitely need some experienced coaches on the offense.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I definitely like that O'Connell isn't just being handed the job. He's been touted as a bright up and coming offensive mind, but what, exactly, has he actually done? He's called plays for what, 13 games this year? And its not like our offense was on fire, either.

For the sake of continuity, I have no problem with keeping him on in some capacity, even as OC, but we definitely need some experienced coaches on the offense.

He developed Haskins quickly, Callahan had the handcuffs on him and finally
Removed them in the last 3-4 games. I don’t want to lose another talented coach like we have many times already and thriving with other teams.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

He developed Haskins quickly, Callahan had the handcuffs on him and finally
Removed them in the last 3-4 games. I don’t want to lose another talented coach like we have many times already and thriving with other teams.

Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.

It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?

Well, I believe Scott Turner, as Norv Turner's son, may get some of the same type accolades, we just don't here them. He did take a rookie qb in Carolina and do pretty good. So the question becomes who does Rivera jive with better. That is where Rivera having final say over his staff, and actually doing honest evaluations is so important. It will also be a test of Haskins growth as an NFL player if he changes his offseason habits to match Rivera's hard nosed approach.

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[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well, I believe Scott Turner, as Norv Turner's son, may get some of the same type accolades, we just don't here them. He did take a rookie qb in Carolina and do pretty good. So the question becomes who does Rivera jive with better. That is where Rivera having final say over his staff, and actually doing honest evaluations is so important. It will also be a test of Haskins growth as an NFL player if he changes his offseason habits to match Rivera's hard nosed approach.

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Will Scott have trust in Snyder who fired his dad? Is there any resentment there? Maybe KOC OC Scott QB coach as being floated.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Will Scott have trust in Snyder who fired his dad? Is there any resentment there? Maybe KOC OC Scott QB coach as being floated.

There are really 2 questions

1) would Norv tell Scott to wait for another option.

2) If you are KOC, and the Rivera brings his old OC in to be your QB coach do you feel comfortable that a back channel from QB coach to HC won't develop if friction occurs.

Bottomline, Rivera has to have the full control to bring in, or keep, the guy that will be right for the team he is building. I am looking forward to hearing how the staff is built.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by mooby

It's been reported KOC is widely respected in the league, even from his playing days backing up Brady in NE.

Anybody who thinks he wouldn't be able to find another offensive coordinator job is delusional. Matt Lafleur landed a HC gig based off 2 years of OC experience with the Rams and Titans. The majority of NFL teams would love a young up-and-coming offensive coordinator.

All those media reports that talk about the respect KOC has, do you think they wrote those without talking to people outside the Redskins org. about KOC?

No, i don't think they wrote those reports without talking to other people. But some of those same ones in the media are saying KOC shouldn't automatically get the job and that Rivera is wise for doing interviews. Both Sheehan and Finlay have said on their podcasts KOC would not necessarily be a hot OC candidate on the Market. Sheehan, especially.

Also, a person can be widely respected in a certain role; that doesn't mean that other teams covet that that person to promote in their own organization. a QB coach can be widely respected - that doesn't mean another organization would make him their head coach or offensive coordinator.

KOC presided over the 2nd-worse offense in the league. 30 other teams already have better options than KOC at their OC position already. Some orgs in a rebuilding mode might take a chance on him, but its not guarantee. My point is that KOC is not YET viewed in league circles the way Sean McVay was or the way Eric Bieneimy is right now.

He, like Haskins, is young, and has showed promise. There's a lot to be excited about with KOC. But he's not yet on the same level as the top OCs. He's much closer to Scott Turner than he is to any of them.

I'm not saying this to trash him. Purely due to his relationship with Haskins alone, I'd want to keep him on the staff. If he's the best OC candidate Rivera interviews, then i'll be very happy to have him on staff. If not, then let him keep the OC title and work with Haskins, but bring in the other guy that Rivera likes better to run the offense.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.

And how do you know no one is interested in KOC? I guarantee you many teams are interested in him, they know he’s under contract.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have some perspective. No one is banging on the door trying to get Kevin O'Connell to be their offensive coordinator.

O'Connell has less than a year of experience calling plays on a 3-13 team whose offense ranked 31st in the league.

He may have potential as a bright young, up and coming offensive mind, but he's done nothing this league to be handed anything.

Correct!