trump Inpeachment...............

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

its not my rule. If you are on trial for committing a crime, lets say, stealing a camo jacket from Walmart that you plan to use when spying on the scientology headquarters. You don't have the right to call Tom Cruise to testify in the case because you think Scientology is up to something shady. Tom Cruise may be up to something shady, but it has nothing to do with your theft of the Jacket, so its not relevant to YOUR case and has no bearing on your guilt or innocence.



What relevance does ANYTHING Hunter Biden has ever done have to do with whether the presidents actions are legal? Unless he was in contact with Trump and witnessed any of Trumps actions here, he's no more relevant a witness than you or me.



Also, I agree, the whistleblower SHOULD be called to testify as they, unlike Hunter Biden, clearly have relevance to the case.

The question about Hunter Biden is relevant because the house managers claim that there was 0 justification for a request to investigate, which goes to motive.

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[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The question about Hunter Biden is relevant because the house managers claim that there was 0 justification for a request to investigate, which goes to motive.

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The question is "Did Trump commit an impeachable offense or not?" His motives don't matter when it comes to answering that question. His actions were an abuse of power, regardless of whether his suspicions about Biden being shady AF were correct or not.

If there is legitimate reason to believe the Biden's were doing something shady, Trump is completely within his right to commission an investigation into that. There are legitimate, constitutional channels to carry out such an investigation. But Trump didn't do that, instead he tried to pressure a foreign government to do the investigation for him and he blocked congressionally approved funds to use as leverage.

We are in this mess now because Trump decided not to follow the rules and not use official channels. The whole country is distracted by this mess when everyone has better things they could be doing.

Ultimately Trump has proven beyond any doubt that he was 100% truthful about one claim - he really could murder someone on 5th avenue and his supporters would stand by him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The question is "Did Trump commit an impeachable offense or not?" His motives don't matter when it comes to answering that question. His actions were an abuse of power, regardless of whether his suspicions about Biden being shady AF were correct or not.



If there is legitimate reason to believe the Biden's were doing something shady, Trump is completely within his right to commission an investigation into that. There are legitimate, constitutional channels to carry out such an investigation. But Trump didn't do that, instead he tried to pressure a foreign government to do the investigation for him and he blocked congressionally approved funds to use as leverage.



We are in this mess now because Trump decided not to follow the rules and not use official channels. The whole country is distracted by this mess when everyone has better things they could be doing.



Ultimately Trump has proven beyond any doubt that he was 100% truthful about one claim - he really could murder someone on 5th avenue and his supporters would stand by him.

We are in this mess because for 3 years the democrats have tried every way possible to remove this president. And before that the Republicans tried to pull off their own equivalent investigations they just never took it too an impeachment level. Certainly the next president that says "I have a pen and phone" will, if the House is a different party or large enogh subset of a different party will face an expedited impeachment hearing


Personally I do not want to go to a European parliament system where the legislative can bring down the executive branch, which this impeachment process pushes us toward.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We are in this mess because for 3 years the democrats have tried every way possible to remove this president. And before that the Republicans tried to pull off their own equivalent investigations they just never took it too an impeachment level. Certainly the next president that says "I have a pen and phone" will, if the House is a different party or large enogh subset of a different party will face an expedited impeachment hearing


Personally I do not want to go to a European parliament system where the legislative can bring down the executive branch, which this impeachment process pushes us toward.

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No, no it doesn't. For three years this president has wanted to be a dictator and the Dems doing their due diligence are trying to stop him from turning this country into Russia or North Korea.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No, no it doesn't. For three years this president has wanted to be a dictator and the Dems doing their due diligence are trying to stop him from turning this country into Russia or North Korea.

That's idiotic

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That's idiotic

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yes, trump is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

yes, trump is.

I know you are being specious but to be clear I meant your statement, not you, and I meant the statement about Trump being a dictator, or monarch.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No, no it doesn't. For three years this president has wanted to be a dictator and the Dems doing their due diligence are trying to stop him from turning this country into Russia or North Korea.

Trump has broken G1.

Add him to the list

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Trump has broken G1.

Add him to the list

.......and trump has made you his bitch.