3-4 vs. 4-3

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gotta reset opinions now that they are with a competent DC. I think Payne played pretty damn well last year. Eager to see him as a 4-3 DT than the nose.

yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

yeah thats what Im telling myself .. but there were many times last year where payne or allen were just hat on hat with an O line guy and they didnt win the battle ... but then there were times when they did, or payne would shoot the gap like a freak of nature given his size.

Their goal line stands last year were amazing. Ive never seen a skins D line hold on goal line stands like they did.

Idk ... im starting to think neither will be all-pro and thats fine, they dont have to be ... but I was hoping for more than just really good. I was hoping for a Fletcher Cox out of one of them. Still early ..

Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Del Rio said he noticed the players were often confused on the plays when he studied Redskins defense. Being confused about what you are supposed to do will impact your performance regardless of your talents/strength.. I believe we have to give the players a clean slate with new coaches - if they continue to perform same as they did before then we can start considering if it's worthwhile for Redskins to keep those players.

I gotta double down on the debbie downer here, again.

New coaches come in and always identify what the past coaches were doing wrong and what new exciting ideas the new coach has for the unit. Id guess Manusky, barry Tosula all said the same word salad of "same page", "all in", "aggressive", "cohesive unit", "attacking", "accountability", "best position to win", "play to their strengths" etc

it is not lost on me that Im complaining about players "only being really good and not elite" ... or that they are still young and have improved each year.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I gotta double down on the debbie downer here, again.

New coaches come in and always identify what the past coaches were doing wrong and what new exciting ideas the new coach has for the unit. Id guess Manusky, barry Tosula all said the same word salad of "same page", "all in", "aggressive", "cohesive unit", "attacking", "accountability", "best position to win", "play to their strengths" etc

it is not lost on me that Im complaining about players "only being really good and not elite" ... or that they are still young and have improved each year.

when the past coach should be coaching on the high school level tho its a big difference