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Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't get the objection to the name change.



I've been referring to them as the Burgundy and Gold or Washington for years now.



And there is some truly uninformed spotting off in this thread....I would say surprisingly uninformed but I know better.

Because you feel the name is offensive? Or just what you called them?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Because you feel the name is offensive? Or just what you called them?

Years ago I gave the name some thought and did some research. Some research on the word and some research on George Preston Marshall and the notion that the name was chosen to 'honor' Native Americans seemed incongruent.

I thought the organization/owner missed a real opportunity to get in front of the issue.

When I made my decision I noticed that some of the team's own on air personalities called the team Burgundy and Gold or Washington and followed suit.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Years ago I gave the name some thought and did some research. Some research on the word and some research on George Preston Marshall and the notion that the name was chosen to 'honor' Native Americans seemed incongruent.



I thought the organization/owner missed a real opportunity to get in front of the issue.



When I made my decision I noticed that some of the team's own on air personalities called the team Burgundy and Gold or Washington and followed suit.

Gotcha. Refreshing post. I was sort of feeling like I was on an uninhabited island.....

[Number44]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Years ago I gave the name some thought and did some research. Some research on the word and some research on George Preston Marshall and the notion that the name was chosen to 'honor' Native Americans seemed incongruent.

I wish you would share what you found in your research, as it might help me with a couple of questions I have in my mind.

I shared a few weeks ago that I had never witnessed anyone in real life use the word "redskin" as a demeaning term or racial slur, and that I had, in fact, witnessed some idiots using the term "chief" in a sarcastic, derogatory, and demeaning way directed at a Native American. Punch then said I was being political (which is ironic, seeing as how he brings politics into the majority of his posts), that I was in love with Trump, and that the word "chief" could not possibly be used in a sarcastic and demeaning manner. I was surprised that he not only had never heard "chief" used in such a way, but that he couldn't even imagine how that could happen. I asked him if he ever witnessed the term "redskin" being used as a racial slur, and he didn't answer.
Punch must think anytime that anyone says anything about any subject that he disagrees with, that person must be in love with Trump. I feel sorry for him. It must be difficult to go through life applying one's political view to everything. I like football, and I don't think about politics when I'm watching or discussing football. The fact that he felt I must be a Trump supporter was humorous to me, and underscores the fact that I don't get into politics on this board, since Punch was so obviously far off on my political leanings. If your research showed that, in fact, the word "redskin" is used as a racial slur, I'd be interested in hearing about it. The only usage for the word "redskin" that I recall witnessing, other than for the football team, is redskin potatoes.

My second question is about the whole underlying issue with the naming of the team. You speak of incongruency, and I have always wondered why the owner of an NFL team would choose to intentionally name his team after a group of people if that owner was a bigot that considered that group of people to be inferior; and if he felt that the word he chose was a demeaning term and a racial slur. It simply doesn't make sense to me that anyone would do that, rather than naming the team after someone or something that he admired, and felt was noble, with a word that engenders pride in the team. Never made sense to me. I mean, if you were a billionaire and purchased a sports franchise, would you name the team "the Slimeballs" or "the Cowards?" That the name of the team was meant to accent the strength and pride of Native American warriors just made more sense to me. Could your research clarify this incongruency for me? Thanks.

The barn door is shut and the name of my favorite team is definitely changing. That is sad to me, but it isn't the end of the world. I just wish I didn't feel like the change is being rammed down my throat by a small minority of folks without any substantive reason. I think I would feel better if it could be shown to me that the name really was demeaning, hurtful, and derogatory, not just claimed to be so.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Number44

I wish you would share what you found in your research, as it might help me with a couple of questions I have in my mind.



I shared a few weeks ago that I had never witnessed anyone in real life use the word "redskin" as a demeaning term or racial slur, and that I had, in fact, witnessed some idiots using the term "chief" in a sarcastic, derogatory, and demeaning way directed at a Native American. Punch then said I was being political (which is ironic, seeing as how he brings politics into the majority of his posts), that I was in love with Trump, and that the word "chief" could not possibly be used in a sarcastic and demeaning manner. I was surprised that he not only had never heard "chief" used in such a way, but that he couldn't even imagine how that could happen. I asked him if he ever witnessed the term "redskin" being used as a racial slur, and he didn't answer.

Punch must think anytime that anyone says anything about any subject that he disagrees with, that person must be in love with Trump. I feel sorry for him. It must be difficult to go through life applying one's political view to everything. I like football, and I don't think about politics when I'm watching or discussing football. The fact that he felt I must be a Trump supporter was humorous to me, and underscores the fact that I don't get into politics on this board, since Punch was so obviously far off on my political leanings. If your research showed that, in fact, the word "redskin" is used as a racial slur, I'd be interested in hearing about it. The only usage for the word "redskin" that I recall witnessing, other than for the football team, is redskin potatoes.



My second question is about the whole underlying issue with the naming of the team. You speak of incongruency, and I have always wondered why the owner of an NFL team would choose to intentionally name his team after a group of people if that owner was a bigot that considered that group of people to be inferior; and if he felt that the word he chose was a demeaning term and a racial slur. It simply doesn't make sense to me that anyone would do that, rather than naming the team after someone or something that he admired, and felt was noble, with a word that engenders pride in the team. Never made sense to me. I mean, if you were a billionaire and purchased a sports franchise, would you name the team "the Slimeballs" or "the Cowards?" That the name of the team was meant to accent the strength and pride of Native American warriors just made more sense to me. Could your research clarify this incongruency for me? Thanks.



The barn door is shut and the name of my favorite team is definitely changing. That is sad to me, but it isn't the end of the world. I just wish I didn't feel like the change is being rammed down my throat by a small minority of folks without any substantive reason. I think I would feel better if it could be shown to me that the name really was demeaning, hurtful, and derogatory, not just claimed to be so.

Yeah its still stupid that you think chief is derogatory and redskin isnt. Actually it was stupid the first time you said it and now its pure insanity.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Number44

I wish you would share what you found in your research, as it might help me with a couple of questions I have in my mind.

I shared a few weeks ago that I had never witnessed anyone in real life use the word "redskin" as a demeaning term or racial slur, and that I had, in fact, witnessed some idiots using the term "chief" in a sarcastic, derogatory, and demeaning way directed at a Native American. Punch then said I was being political (which is ironic, seeing as how he brings politics into the majority of his posts), that I was in love with Trump, and that the word "chief" could not possibly be used in a sarcastic and demeaning manner. I was surprised that he not only had never heard "chief" used in such a way, but that he couldn't even imagine how that could happen. I asked him if he ever witnessed the term "redskin" being used as a racial slur, and he didn't answer.
Punch must think anytime that anyone says anything about any subject that he disagrees with, that person must be in love with Trump. I feel sorry for him. It must be difficult to go through life applying one's political view to everything. I like football, and I don't think about politics when I'm watching or discussing football. The fact that he felt I must be a Trump supporter was humorous to me, and underscores the fact that I don't get into politics on this board, since Punch was so obviously far off on my political leanings. If your research showed that, in fact, the word "redskin" is used as a racial slur, I'd be interested in hearing about it. The only usage for the word "redskin" that I recall witnessing, other than for the football team, is redskin potatoes.

My second question is about the whole underlying issue with the naming of the team. You speak of incongruency, and I have always wondered why the owner of an NFL team would choose to intentionally name his team after a group of people if that owner was a bigot that considered that group of people to be inferior; and if he felt that the word he chose was a demeaning term and a racial slur. It simply doesn't make sense to me that anyone would do that, rather than naming the team after someone or something that he admired, and felt was noble, with a word that engenders pride in the team. Never made sense to me. I mean, if you were a billionaire and purchased a sports franchise, would you name the team "the Slimeballs" or "the Cowards?" That the name of the team was meant to accent the strength and pride of Native American warriors just made more sense to me. Could your research clarify this incongruency for me? Thanks.

The barn door is shut and the name of my favorite team is definitely changing. That is sad to me, but it isn't the end of the world. I just wish I didn't feel like the change is being rammed down my throat by a small minority of folks without any substantive reason. I think I would feel better if it could be shown to me that the name really was demeaning, hurtful, and derogatory, not just claimed to be so.

I started reading a few of these when the name change demand started in June I have changed my stance on the name. I don’t need to be contributing to Native American problems by rooting for a mascot. The first link is a great review paper and the second link shares several research papers on the name.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...3DxzKgM2WoRsIJ

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart

[30gut]

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[punch it in]

And Redskins was used as a derogatory name well before any of us were born so can we stop with the “i never heard anyone say that before”. Just because it lost its original meanIng over time and became synonymous with a sports team doesn’t negate its origin. Also calling someone chief is the same as saying sarge or babe or dude. Not derogatory. Maybe disrespectful in another way.

[Chico23231]

Not only does confirmation bias clearly exist...the sampling is a big if not huge issue.

Your quote here sums up my feeling


Native Americans face real challenges and inequities in our society. I'm just not sure that the use of Native American sports mascots is a cause


Of course it’s not, mascots aren’t even on the spectrum of issue within the native Americans communities. But these people who conduct these studies with the outcome determined...they don’t want to honest discussions. That turns into holding people within that community responsible.

My problem with the Redskins is I just wish Dan and Company would have Partnered stronger with NA and should have been more vocal about the challenges that they face and what could be done to make real change. Dan just seemed to write a check. Missed opportunity

[Warthog]

Poster, “911 Freedom Fighter” must have been in the military and deployed to fight the bad guys in AFGHANISTAN or Iraq or Syria . If he did I salute him. If he didn’t he loses points with me for being a “wanna-bee”, but maybe even a poser?.

For myself, over the last 20 years, as the team has gone downhill, I’ve called them the
DEADSKINS or worse, FAR MORE than I called them the Redskins. They’ll probably have a few down games in the future and their RED WOLVES names will morph into the Dead wolves or DEAD DOGS or Dead puppies or whatever. Lol.


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