Talent Evaluation?

[Big C]

sometimes u have to let them hodl the clipboard

carson palmer
chad pennington

2 recent qbs drafted first round who sat and held the clipboard, both have been very successful

[MTK]

Sarcasm isn't exactly the easiest thing to pick up on in print, especially considering some of the wacked takes some people tend to have. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by offiss

It's becoming more apparent that Gibbs is having a real tough time without a real genious in talent evaluation in Beathard at his side, he's finding out that it's much harder to do whatever you want on offense when you don't have an O-line that dominates opposing defensive lines everytime you take the field, yes Gibbs [ when injuries were not a factor ] enjoyed that kind advantage for a decade back in the 80's.

Now we spend 161 million dollars on 3 player's, Portis, Arrington, and Brunell, trade away next years draft for Campbell, and discard Ramsey who may at some point in his carreer prove to be the best of the bunch.

Guess what, it doesn't work without dominant lines, that is the key to football, offensive, and defensive line play, when you have that you don't need 68 million $ LB's, you don't need 50 mil $ RB's, and you don't need a 35 year old 43 mil $ QB, as the skins of the 80's proved time and again. Great lines make winners out of decent players, great D-lines keep blockers off your LB's, great O-lines open holes for decent RB's, they also allow your QB time to get comfortable and look downfield for recievers, while providing him a reliable running game.

Us? Well we now have probably the most talented trio of QB's in the league, while Williams tries week in and week out to figure out a way to stop offenses without a D-line, and guess what theres no help on the way because Gibbs just had to have Campbell, like he just had to have Portis, as well as Brunell!

And yes it's official Portis is even less talented than I thought when we traded for him, I have watched him to many times run right into the backs of our lineman and then cut to the hole that he should have hit instantly, not all our problems lie with our line with the running game, Portis is not a special back by any means.

It's to bad we gave up next years draft, I hear Gibbs is now interested in Dayne, and all denver want's is Sean Taylor, and a #2.

You can't win in the NFL if you can't evaluate, and draft winning talent, and other than Cooley, Taylor was a no brainer, in 2 years what do we really have through the draft? 3 players, one of which Rogers has yet to become a starter.

Yes Gibbs recieved all the glory, but it's becoming more apparent with every game that Beathard was greatly underestimated in the success that Gibbs enjoyed throughout the 80's.

I hear what your saying but Ramsey the Best of the bunch? We are in trouble if that is true!!! Ramsey is a back up QB in the NFL. Yes he will get another starting job for some team but he will fail. He needs a lot of work and maybe he might be Brees but not likey.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

I hear what your saying but Ramsey the Best of the bunch? We are in trouble if that is true!!! Ramsey is a back up QB in the NFL. Yes he will get another starting job for some team but he will fail. He needs a lot of work and maybe he might be Brees but not likey.

You may be right, but we really don't know at this point because he's not playing, how soon people like to forget how badly Brees was potrayed only to rise above and become an all pro, that could never happen he was a lowsey QB and yet it did, but everyone knows Ramsey wouldn't, well the kid deserved the chance to prove it and never really got one.

How's Jake Plummer doing this year? Has he progressed as a QB in his third year in denver? I think so! And he was vastly more experienced than Ramsey before he was signed by Denver, but it is impossible for Ramsey to become a good QB, why? Because Gibbs said so by not giving him a chance.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Also, for all the anti-ramseyfans, if Ramsey is so bad, why do you think Gibbs said he would not even CONSIDER trading him? If you recall, the Jets were interested in Ramsey after Pennington went down. Gibbs said unequivocally that the team wouldn't even consider trading Ramsey.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Also, for all the anti-ramseyfans, if Ramsey is so bad, why do you think Gibbs said he would not even CONSIDER trading him? If you recall, the Jets were interested in Ramsey after Pennington went down. Gibbs said unequivocally that the team wouldn't even consider trading Ramsey.

I can answer that. You would have a rookie left as a back-up and bringing in another QB means having to give him a crash course of the system. Ramsey is good enough and knowledgable enough to come in if we needed him to replace Brunell. Not to mention this would be a huge distraction for the team- which is something you try to avoid especially during the season.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Also, for all the anti-ramseyfans, if Ramsey is so bad, why do you think Gibbs said he would not even CONSIDER trading him? If you recall, the Jets were interested in Ramsey after Pennington went down. Gibbs said unequivocally that the team wouldn't even consider trading Ramsey.

Well part of it is that it's not the responsibility of the Redskins to help other teams if their QB goes down. Also, by stating unequivocally that you have no interest in trading him you keep his trade value up, or maybe even make it higher. It's possible that if Ramsey played his value would go up after other teams saw how well he played. Or he could totally tank it and his value would plummet. Especially with so many other QBs that are going to be on the market this spring.