Will You Still Wear Your Skins Gear After?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm gonna defer to Mark Moseley on this one.



I'm sure he's got some bias on the issue too but if he's done as much outreach as the article implies and met so many Native Americans who aren't offended by the name, that's good enough for me.

He says hundreds and hundreds which is obviously debatable. Same tribe? Different tribes? Was it actually 7 of them at a bar and he was buying them drinks? Lol. Who knows? I have seen and heard from plenty who do have a problem though. We all have. We just say they have a secret agenda when they speak up.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He says hundreds and hundreds which is obviously debatable. Same tribe? Different tribes? Was it actually 7 of them at a bar and he was buying them drinks? Lol. Who knows? I have seen and heard from plenty who do have a problem though. We all have. We just say they have a secret agenda when they speak up.

Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.

Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.



Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.

LOL. Who said i met more Native Americans than Moseley. I meant seen and heard through the media, online etc... like we all have. Dont tread lightly on my account speak your mind. Im not the only one who feels this way on the board. Few others.
Also, I never said one way or another about a majority of them. I actually said there is zero proof either way. So im certainly not trying to convince you or anyone that a majority feels one way or the other. If ten percent of em are offended that’s enough for me though.

[Burgold]

Originally Posted by punch it in

LOL. Who said i met more Native Americans than Moseley. I meant seen and heard through the media, online etc... like we all have. Dont tread lightly on my account speak your mind. Im not the only one who feels this way on the board. Few others.
Also, I never said one way or another about a majority of them. I actually said there is zero proof either way. So im certainly not trying to convince you or anyone that a majority feels one way or the other. If ten percent of em are offended that’s enough for me though.

Me too!!

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by mooby

Yes, I totally believe you've met more Native Americans than Mark Moseley has in 40 years of representing the Redskins.

Punch I'm trying to tread carefully here because I really don't have a problem with you, but it's clear there's nothing that's going to sway your opinion on the subject, and there's nothing that's going to sway mine. It's clear you're never going to be convinced that Native Americans aren't united on the subject of the Redskins name, and you sure as hell aren't gonna convince me that the majority of Native Americans hated the name.

And why does a majority have to hate the name? I don’t think that there is a question that some, likely many Native Americans feel that the name is racist and hurtful to them. And that should be enough. Additionally, is there any doubt that the word Redskins was a pejorative when speaking about native Americans at some point in our history?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

And why does a majority have to hate the name? I don’t think that there is a question that some, likely many Native Americans feel that the name is racist and hurtful to them. And that should be enough. Additionally, is there any doubt that the word Redskins was a pejorative when speaking about native Americans at some point in our history?

Because why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? The ones who are happy to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? The ones who are happy to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.

This.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because why are the offended more important than the Native Americans that take pride in the name? The ones who are happy to be represented on the national stage? Some people are going to be offended at everything and anything, I mean there is at least one person out there in the world that is offended by the name Texas Rangers. You're heading down a dangerous road when you declare the most vocal people in an argument the winner.

Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.

It doesn't even require 10%...2-3% can overrule the majority (see homosexual movement). YOU MUST BAKE THE CAKE!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Being offended has all the power in this country now. If you have more than 10% of people on the side of being offended, then the other 80% - 90% can go fuck themselves. Being offended has all the power.

Yeah SD but you gotta be able to determine if it is something that is genuinely hurtful. Most people do not claim hurt feelings because of some other reason. Lol. They are genuinely troubled. Of that 90 percent that seemingly doesn’t care - probably 60 percent is just silent. It doesn’t mean that they don’t care. Usually the 30 percent that are the ones waving their flag are the ones that have an agenda driven by money or their own interests that in their minds outweigh someone’s feelings. I just do not buy into the mentality that “10” percent of a group of people do not matter, and honestly what is the harm of changing names, statues, or shit like that? Nobody’s civil liberties are being stripped. Quite the contrary- everyones civil liberties are being looked out for.

[Monkeydad]

Interesting article on the transition.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-constraints/


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Experts expressed doubts about whether Washington could realistically complete an entire rebrand by the start of the season. Walsh, for instance, said it was possible to introduce a new name and start to make some changes around the team’s facilities before then, but added “there’s not a ton” that can get done in two months.


O’Keefe and Williams floated the idea of the team playing under generic burgundy-and-gold uniforms that just had “Washington” on them, while a new logo is designed. The Wizards’ transition from the Bullets took a full two years.

While Washington hasn’t solicited suggestions from fans, Walsh said there are steps a team can take to gauge public reaction. He noted that the NHL’s Vegas Golden Knights got a good amount of feedback on each of their potential names when the team’s trademark applications were discovered.

Once Washington does settle on a new name, it will have to decide how it wants to introduce it to the public. Williams remembered the Wizards holding two big, televised press conferences — one for the name and another to unveil the jerseys and logos. Williams said the logo unveiling was held at a Modell’s Sporting Goods and everyone who attended the press conference received a T-shirt featuring the image.

But the circumstances around Washington’s change, in particular, could force a different path. Would a splashy press conference, for example, further upset the faction of fans who don’t want the name to change? A Morning Consult poll found last week that 49% of Americans do not want the name changed. Only 29% were in favor, with the other 22% undecided. O’Keefe said it usually takes six to 12 months for a team’s fan base to “get comfortable” with a new name.

“It’s always going to be a mixed bag at first,” O’Keefe said. “No matter how well the Redskins does with this process, you’re still going to have people angry because they love the old name and the new one is new. It doesn’t have any storied history. … At first, they’re still kind of (ticked) off that they lost a name that they cared about.”