What about a TRUE GM

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Geez, things really do come full circle. I remember prior to the draft we were saying this same thing. I really just wish we would hire a figurehead "GM" so that we could all stop asking for one. Just recently Rogers is panning out, the Campbell pick is a question mark, but we don't know much other than that right now. Gibbs's picks have been more hits than misses, so I don't know what the outcry for a GM is for?

[irish]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Geez, things really do come full circle. I remember prior to the draft we were saying this same thing. I really just wish we would hire a figurehead "GM" so that we could all stop asking for one. Just recently Rogers is panning out, the Campbell pick is a question mark, but we don't know much other than that right now. Gibbs's picks have been more hits than misses, so I don't know what the outcry for a GM is for?

Its interesting that you say Gibbs' picks have been more hits than misses but cite 2 picks that are niether hits nor misses.

The reason this team needs a GM is that both Gibbs and Snyder are too much in love with free agency, thats why all the draft picks have been given away. A GM would provide a good balance between the need to get free agents and the need to hold onto franchise changing draft picks. Its obvious the current way of doing things is not working so why not try something new.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Geez, things really do come full circle. I remember prior to the draft we were saying this same thing. I really just wish we would hire a figurehead "GM" so that we could all stop asking for one. Just recently Rogers is panning out, the Campbell pick is a question mark, but we don't know much other than that right now. Gibbs's picks have been more hits than misses, so I don't know what the outcry for a GM is for?

Lets go back and see, Taylor was an obvious pick, you and I could have made. Cooley has turned out to be good. This past draft was a questionable one. Rogers may be a good corner, however we were at need for a #2 receiver given our lack of size and presence of a physical receiver, which is now causing problems because we still dont have a #2 guy. Mike Williams was available and would have been and immediate player,probably. We could have taken a DB in the 2nd round or Campbell if they HAD to have him, he would have still been there. Nobody was taking him. Other than that, thats 3 out of 14 picks, plus any free agent pick ups from the draft that have not seen the field. I am not sure that qualifies as succesful or not. Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a sizeable gamble, not many 1st round QBs have panned out, with exception to Manning brothers, palmer, vick, although I still think is overrated to some extent. We trade away picks like they are poison! Bailey and a 2nd, a 3rd for brunell, a 1st for campbell, who is 3rd on the depth chart. If you take a 1st round QB, wouldn't you think he would be atleast 2nd on the depth chart. Especially since you spend all offseason working on a previous #1 QB pick in Ramsey, assurring him he is your guy, you are the starter. We needed obvious help on the d-line, but passes over two studs, which went to Dallas and will now kill us for the 5 to 10 years. Would you like any other moves of question. I know people are going to bring the free agent pickups into this. Griffin, Washington great pick ups. But 43 mil to 35 year QB, 10 mil up front for a 30 yr old corner. and not signing a true MLB, although that big signing from a year ago turned out to be a BIG waste of money in Mike Barrow. You let the leader of the LB core go to a division Rival, not very smart. I am sure there may be more moves, but I'll stop here.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Lets go back and see, Taylor was an obvious pick, you and I could have made. Cooley has turned out to be good. This past draft was a questionable one. Rogers may be a good corner, however we were at need for a #2 receiver given our lack of size and presence of a physical receiver, which is now causing problems because we still dont have a #2 guy. Mike Williams was available and would have been and immediate player,probably. We could have taken a DB in the 2nd round or Campbell if they HAD to have him, he would have still been there. Nobody was taking him. Other than that, thats 3 out of 14 picks, plus any free agent pick ups from the draft that have not seen the field. I am not sure that qualifies as succesful or not. Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a sizeable gamble, not many 1st round QBs have panned out, with exception to Manning brothers, palmer, vick, although I still think is overrated to some extent. We trade away picks like they are poison! Bailey and a 2nd, a 3rd for brunell, a 1st for campbell, who is 3rd on the depth chart. If you take a 1st round QB, wouldn't you think he would be atleast 2nd on the depth chart. Especially since you spend all offseason working on a previous #1 QB pick in Ramsey, assurring him he is your guy, you are the starter. We needed obvious help on the d-line, but passes over two studs, which went to Dallas and will now kill us for the 5 to 10 years. Would you like any other moves of question. I know people are going to bring the free agent pickups into this. Griffin, Washington great pick ups. But 43 mil to 35 year QB, 10 mil up front for a 30 yr old corner. and not signing a true MLB, although that big signing from a year ago turned out to be a BIG waste of money in Mike Barrow. You let the leader of the LB core go to a division Rival, not very smart. I am sure there may be more moves, but I'll stop here.

Taylor wasn't an obvious pick... Remeber K Winlsow. Mike Williams hasen't done shit and word is his speed is not there to be a good WR.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Lets go back and see, Taylor was an obvious pick, you and I could have made. Cooley has turned out to be good. This past draft was a questionable one. Rogers may be a good corner, however we were at need for a #2 receiver given our lack of size and presence of a physical receiver, which is now causing problems because we still dont have a #2 guy. Mike Williams was available and would have been and immediate player,probably. We could have taken a DB in the 2nd round or Campbell if they HAD to have him, he would have still been there. Nobody was taking him. Other than that, thats 3 out of 14 picks, plus any free agent pick ups from the draft that have not seen the field. I am not sure that qualifies as succesful or not. Drafting a QB in the 1st round is a sizeable gamble, not many 1st round QBs have panned out, with exception to Manning brothers, palmer, vick, although I still think is overrated to some extent. We trade away picks like they are poison! Bailey and a 2nd, a 3rd for brunell, a 1st for campbell, who is 3rd on the depth chart. If you take a 1st round QB, wouldn't you think he would be atleast 2nd on the depth chart. Especially since you spend all offseason working on a previous #1 QB pick in Ramsey, assurring him he is your guy, you are the starter. We needed obvious help on the d-line, but passes over two studs, which went to Dallas and will now kill us for the 5 to 10 years. Would you like any other moves of question. I know people are going to bring the free agent pickups into this. Griffin, Washington great pick ups. But 43 mil to 35 year QB, 10 mil up front for a 30 yr old corner. and not signing a true MLB, although that big signing from a year ago turned out to be a BIG waste of money in Mike Barrow. You let the leader of the LB core go to a division Rival, not very smart. I am sure there may be more moves, but I'll stop here.

First of all, Taylor wasn't an obvious pick. Everyone and their Mother thought we were going to draft KWII. We ended up making the right pick.

Barrow a big waste of money? No one knew that his knees were shot, and we did get him at a reasonable price.

We didn't let the leader of our LB core go. We gave him an offer within our cap, and he ended up getting paid with the NYG and left.

[#56fanatic]

how either of you two who responded to my previous post think Taylor was not a no brainer are crazy. An athlete like taylor comes only so often. Barrow was over the hill MLB who was overpaid. A bargain compared to what we normally pay people, you right. but still overpaid to what he was going to be offered somewher else. We can agree to disagree. unfortunetly the moves have been questionable at best. Some were great picks, but most have not been that well thought out.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

how either of you two who responded to my previous post think Taylor was not a no brainer are crazy. An athlete like taylor comes only so often. Barrow was over the hill MLB who was overpaid. A bargain compared to what we normally pay people, you right. but still overpaid to what he was going to be offered somewher else. We can agree to disagree. unfortunetly the moves have been questionable at best. Some were great picks, but most have not been that well thought out.

The same things were said about KWII. Everyone envisioned him as our H-Back, and honestly all the so called "experts" had KWII as a lock for us.

Barrow was brought in because he was familiar with the system, and he was fairly cheap.

I would have to disagree that most of our picks were not well though out.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

how either of you two who responded to my previous post think Taylor was not a no brainer are crazy. An athlete like taylor comes only so often. Barrow was over the hill MLB who was overpaid. A bargain compared to what we normally pay people, you right. but still overpaid to what he was going to be offered somewher else. We can agree to disagree. unfortunetly the moves have been questionable at best. Some were great picks, but most have not been that well thought out.

I don't think its crazy to state the truth. The fact of the matter is most experts thought we were taking Winslow for multiple reasons. One of those reasons being he would be a perfect fit as Gibb's "H Back". As it turned out our GM brain trust realized we could get Cooley in the 3rd round to fill that void.. That my friend is what having a good draft is all about.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

I don't think its crazy to state the truth. The fact of the matter is most experts thought we were taking Winslow for multiple reasons. One of those reasons being he would be a perfect fit as Gibb's "H Back". As it turned out our GM brain trust realized we could get Cooley in the 3rd round to fill that void.. That my friend is what having a good draft is all about.

Thank you!

Its funny how we all look so smart when we look at things in hindsight.

Whats done is done. Move on.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

I don't think its crazy to state the truth. The fact of the matter is most experts thought we were taking Winslow for multiple reasons. One of those reasons being he would be a perfect fit as Gibb's "H Back". As it turned out our GM brain trust realized we could get Cooley in the 3rd round to fill that void.. That my friend is what having a good draft is all about.

I am just going through all of these today )11/30/2005) sorry for not getting in yesterday evening. Anyway, look at the draft the past two seasons, out of 14 picks and multiple free agent pickup of nondrafted players, how many acually play. 3!!! Cooley, Rogers, Taylor. that leaves 11 drafted players, not even counting the draft picks we threw away. Non of these other drafted players even play special teams. The lineman they picked up in the draft last year, that were suppose to be really good finds, stink!! They have had questionable drafts Well, questionable after the 1st round. still I think last years draft was questionable. Moving up, giving a 2nd or a 3rd rounder, plus next years #1 for a guy that was going to be there in the 2nd round. And he is still #3 on the depth chart. Wouldn't you think if you drafter a QB in the 1st round he may be atleast #2 on the depth chart. And why promise all this crap to Ramsey, work all offseason with him do all the things they did, then turn around and draft a QB, which is basically drafted on 1 year of experience in college. The guy had 1 good year in college, and basically he had two all americans behind him he could hand the ball of to.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I am just going through all of these today )11/30/2005) sorry for not getting in yesterday evening. Anyway, look at the draft the past two seasons, out of 14 picks and multiple free agent pickup of nondrafted players, how many acually play. 3!!! Cooley, Rogers, Taylor. that leaves 11 drafted players, not even counting the draft picks we threw away. Non of these other drafted players even play special teams. The lineman they picked up in the draft last year, that were suppose to be really good finds, stink!! They have had questionable drafts Well, questionable after the 1st round. still I think last years draft was questionable. Moving up, giving a 2nd or a 3rd rounder, plus next years #1 for a guy that was going to be there in the 2nd round. And he is still #3 on the depth chart. Wouldn't you think if you drafter a QB in the 1st round he may be atleast #2 on the depth chart. And why promise all this crap to Ramsey, work all offseason with him do all the things they did, then turn around and draft a QB, which is basically drafted on 1 year of experience in college. The guy had 1 good year in college, and basically he had two all americans behind him he could hand the ball of to.

Don't worry, Campbell will be #2 on the chart next year. Who cares what the dept chart says at this point.. If were out of it in a few weeks do u honestly think they will put Ramsey in...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

how either of you two who responded to my previous post think Taylor was not a no brainer are crazy. An athlete like taylor comes only so often. Barrow was over the hill MLB who was overpaid. A bargain compared to what we normally pay people, you right. but still overpaid to what he was going to be offered somewher else. We can agree to disagree. unfortunetly the moves have been questionable at best. Some were great picks, but most have not been that well thought out.

Taylor was not an obvious choice. Taylor and Winslow are both fantastic players with tremendous talent. Taylor was billed as the next Ronnie Lott whereas Winslow was said to be the best TE prospect in the history of the draft.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Taylor was not an obvious choice. Taylor and Winslow are both fantastic players with tremendous talent. Taylor was billed as the next Ronnie Lott whereas Winslow was said to be the best TE prospect in the history of the draft.

I dont see how it was even a question of who they were going to draft. They needed D help. especially where Taylor plays. Winslow, TE can be found anywhere. Safties with Taylors size, speed, and ability are one in 10 year thing. And dont say look at Roy Williams in Dallas. He has no where near the speed Taylor has ,and cannot cover guys like Taylor can. TE, look at Cooley, he has awesome hands and probably fits better than Winslow wood anyway. Cooley is probably more football knowlegable which Gibbs said the H-back has to know everyplay, every shift, basically know as much as the QB in the offense. Sorry, but I disagree w/ your opinion, but its all good.