Joe Gibbs is the man

[Daseal]

I think it's a little unfair to judge Gibbs II based on 1 1/2 seasons. Gibbs came back to a totally different NFL. Gibbs said he has felt like he had to learn the ropes all over again and I believe him. We usually don't toss out or judge a new coach after 1 1/2 seasons (unless you are Dan Snyder).

Then why is it fair to judge coaches, such as Spurrier, that come up from college the way he was? I will give any coach three years to show me promise that the club is improving. Gibbs clock management has been infinitely better (as Malcolm and I talked about this morning) but he still has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed this offseason.

[#56fanatic]

In no way would I question Joe as being a great COACH, coach being the key word. He is a great person, and knows how to build a championship team in racing. He is a great motivator and family man. there is not question as a person no one was created equal!! He is still learing the NEW NFL, and I do agree it takes more than 1 or so years to make any improvements. Which, to date since Dan took over, we have not had the same staff in place more than 2 years. It will be nice to see if Joe can guide this franchise in the right direction by building a team concept through the draft and KEY pick ups, not just name pickups. Then again, we dont have a 1st rounder next year so again free agency is going to play a part in our offseason. The draft is far more important that Dan likes to think, and hopefully Joe can get that point across for any future coaches and staffs that replace him once he calls it quits.


Thank god we have a person of his quality on our sidelines. It has been a long time waiting!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Then why is it fair to judge coaches, such as Spurrier, that come up from college the way he was? I will give any coach three years to show me promise that the club is improving. Gibbs clock management has been infinitely better (as Malcolm and I talked about this morning) but he still has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed this offseason.

Because Spurrier quit! Walked away! Not to mention, the team seemed to be in constant turmoil, in and out of the locker room. His methods didn't seem to make sense from an NFL prospective. His blocking scheme acumen damned near got Ramsey killed. There was no sign of forward movement, just horizontal. Much to my disappointment at the time, dude was a clown, a charlatan, a carpet bagger, and those other bad things I cannot think of at the moment.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Then why is it fair to judge coaches, such as Spurrier, that come up from college the way he was? I will give any coach three years to show me promise that the club is improving. Gibbs clock management has been infinitely better (as Malcolm and I talked about this morning) but he still has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed this offseason.

I am willing to give this coaching staff 1 more year listening to lavar on the radio yesterday he was talking about the changes and wanting 3 years together...so 1 am gonna hang with them 1 more year.....(not that i have an say lol) and..hopefully it will be this year.... Lavar turned out to be the standup guy i knew he was ...and a true reskins and if u go to the fed ex u will by far see more lavar #56 jersey's than any other he is by far the most popular redskin

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Then why is it fair to judge coaches, such as Spurrier, that come up from college the way he was? I will give any coach three years to show me promise that the club is improving. Gibbs clock management has been infinitely better (as Malcolm and I talked about this morning) but he still has a lot of flaws that need to be addressed this offseason.

I think the biggest thing with Spurrier is how he just gave up after two years. He also didn't seem to be willing to put in the hours it takes to succeed in the NFL (being on the golf course as much as possible during the season.) I think he's a great college coach with a great offensive mind, but Gibbs is better at total team management. Even though that second season was horrible, if Spurrier would have stuck it out and went the third season, I would have supported him and would have hoped he would have made the changes to correct whatever problems we had (which were quite a few,) but unfortunately, he decided to hang it up before then.

[Daseal]

I think he's a great college coach with a great offensive mind, but Gibbs is better at total team management.

I agree 100% here. I am not trying to make a case for Spurrier here, it just seems like at this point in the year during his reign he was constantly thrown under the bus, and Gibbs hasn't been any more successful than Spurrier. I think as fans we should try to take our personal bias's out just a little bit and realize that the team is not getting it done and I relate that straight back to the head coach, especially when they assume GM and playcalling responsibilities.

As far as Spurrier quitting, I don't think that's really what happened. I think Snyder told him he could quit or he could be fired, pick which you want. Spurrier has all the money he needs and was disappointed in what he did in Washington and took the first route.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree 100% here. I am not trying to make a case for Spurrier here, it just seems like at this point in the year during his reign he was constantly thrown under the bus, and Gibbs hasn't been any more successful than Spurrier. I think as fans we should try to take our personal bias's out just a little bit and realize that the team is not getting it done and I relate that straight back to the head coach, especially when they assume GM and playcalling responsibilities.

As far as Spurrier quitting, I don't think that's really what happened. I think Snyder told him he could quit or he could be fired, pick which you want. Spurrier has all the money he needs and was disappointed in what he did in Washington and took the first route.

good post and its real .....

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree 100% here. I am not trying to make a case for Spurrier here, it just seems like at this point in the year during his reign he was constantly thrown under the bus, and Gibbs hasn't been any more successful than Spurrier. I think as fans we should try to take our personal bias's out just a little bit and realize that the team is not getting it done and I relate that straight back to the head coach, especially when they assume GM and playcalling responsibilities.

As far as Spurrier quitting, I don't think that's really what happened. I think Snyder told him he could quit or he could be fired, pick which you want. Spurrier has all the money he needs and was disappointed in what he did in Washington and took the first route.

But, we've had this conversation before, Daseal. I know you understand the situation of last season. Didn't you say that you'd give him three seasons? As far as success of Joe Gibbs, looking at win-lose total up to this point only, is the only knock against Gibbs. For the most part, he has done everything right in preparing this team to return to it's glory. It takes patience, something that alot Redskins fans don't have nowadays unfortunately. Have you paid a visit to Tony McGee's post concerning this? I believe you'd be very enlightened by what Tony has to say in regards to player's efforts and Joe Gibbs. It's hard to argue with a guy who has actually played under Joe Gibbs and knows the state of the NFL.

As far as Spurrier's exodus form the NFL. We have also had this conversation before. Spurrier said he quit. Sure, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors, but assuming something is fact when we don't know that to be true doesn't make it true. All we have to go by is Spurrier's word. You know, there is possibly a chance that Spurrier felt he wasn't cut out for the NFL. Not every college coach who is successful in college can repeat that success in the NFL.

[Longtimefan]

I have always had nothing but the utmost respect for Joe Gibbs the man, as well as Joe Gibbs the coach. I am also convinced he will get the team back on course though the #1 question still remains, how long will he continue, and what will our situation be once he decides to call it quits?

When Gibbs took over the team to begin his first tenure he inherited a much better team than the one he took over this time around which partially explains why he's not off to the same type start where he had the team in the SB after his second season. During the course of his success he had two HOF players the likes of which he has nothing simular this time around. When you couple that with all the changes that has affected the game since he last coached, it's going to take patience on the part of all us fans and hope for simular success. His greatest challenge is going to be keeping "what he calls his core group" together long enough to make a difference. In this age of "RENT A PLAYER" it's going to be difficult. Patience is something the NFL is short on now and there's so much pressure on coaches to win now. I just hope Mr. Snyder has learned that patience is going to be the key to any success we're going to have, and allow coach Gibbs to fulfill his misson.

[Big C]

yes, gibbs is huge for this team, i really wouldn't want anyone else. he has brought stability and organization to this team. the team was hectic until he came in and has started to sort out the team. we didnt go on a spending spree as in years past, which i attribute to gibbs arrival. results will come...patience is required...something we havent had in years past. if gibbs is around next year, look for big things

[56FAN]

theres no one else other than Joe Gibbs i would have coaching this team.before he came back i wanted lovie smith.he's looking like a good coach. that 's team who has a lot in common record wise with us over the last couple of years and it's taken them a xouple of years but they' re now making some noise. i believe with a couple of crutiial parts we can make some big noise.( de , dt , cb o line 2nd wr, te depth)possibly a qb

[ST21]

We can take Martz as our Offensive Cordinator