Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell...

[skinsguy]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Mark Brunell has had his best season statistically since leaving the Jaguars with 15 TD's and just 5 INTs. QUOTE]
dont forget about leading the NFL in fumbles lost and winning 2 out of his last 8..thats a stat too

Railcon, do you ever have anything positive to say about this team at all? I can understand being frustrated with having high expectations for this year and going through a three game slump, but come on man - I just don't understand this gloom and doom.

[railcon56]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Railcon, do you ever have anything positive to say about this team at all? I can understand being frustrated with having high expectations for this year and going through a three game slump, but come on man - I just don't understand this gloom and doom.

well yes i said i liked several players
if u were reading me plus i have bought tickets to 3 games off the internet... and they were 50 yard line seats so they weren't cheap i am just tired of the damn excuses blame snyder and ramsey and everyone else except gibbs and brunell ..i was never on his bandwagon..try doing a search on my posts and u will see plenty of positives..but no excuses i am not gonna be like a cleveland fan..used of losing and being satisfied we havent won in years and there is no excuse if u dont have a winning season ur a loser..period

[44deisel44]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

well yes i said i liked several players
if u were reading me plus i have bought tickets to 3 games off the internet... and they were 50 yard line seats so they weren't cheap i am just tired of the damn excuses blame snyder and ramsey and everyone else except gibbs and brunell ..i was never on his bandwagon..try doing a search on my posts and u will see plenty of positives..but no excuses i am not gonna be like a cleveland fan..used of losing and being satisfied we havent won in years and there is no excuse if u dont have a winning season ur a loser..period

Right.....I always say show me a good loser...I'll show you a loser! But come on now....2nd year for GIBBS.....Give me a break...We have improved. NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[railcon56]

[QUOTE=44deisel44]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Right.....I always say show me a good loser...I'll show you a loser! But come on now....2nd year for GIBBS.....Give me a break...We have improved. NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

true but why does parcells win in his 1st or second year?????????

[skinsguy]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

true but why does parcells win in his 1st or second year?????????

Because Parcells hasn't been away from the game in over a decade.

[Beemnseven]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Because Parcells hasn't been away from the game in over a decade.

i don't buy that excuse. You don't lose all of your knowledge of football in a decade of being away from the game. Football is still the same as it was in 1992. Sure, the cap and personnel may change things, but when it comes to actual game play and preparing the team, if you've got the fundamentals down, your chances are much better.

Right now, this team is not adhering to one of the fundamentals -- play 4 complete quarters.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

i don't buy that excuse. You don't lose all of your knowledge of football in a decade of being away from the game. Football is still the same as it was in 1992. Sure, the cap and personnel may change things, but when it comes to actual game play and preparing the team, if you've got the fundamentals down, your chances are much better.

Right now, this team is not adhering to one of the fundamentals -- play 4 complete quarters.

Obviously, I agree that the team isn't adhering to one of the fundamentals --playing 4 quarters. At least they haven't been doing so recently; they managed to do so early in the season (i.e. the Dallas game).

But, to say that football hasn't changed since 1992 is (IMHO) wrong. Defenses are so much faster and blitz far more often with far more players. As Jansen said last offseason, we ran a 1992 offense last year. Or, as Portis said, the Browns knew exactly what was coming. What obviously worked so well in 1992 hasn't been working recently. By the same token, offenses have changed considerably since 1992. Everyone (defense and offense) on the field bigger, stronger, and faster.

Just like the jump from college to the pros is so difficult for so many talented rookie quarterbacks, I imagine there is a similar learning curve for coaches who are coming from a 1992 league to today's league. I'm willing to give Gibbs (basically a 1st round, 2nd season coach) another season to adjust before I abandon him.

[skinsguy]

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

i don't buy that excuse. You don't lose all of your knowledge of football in a decade of being away from the game. Football is still the same as it was in 1992. Sure, the cap and personnel may change things, but when it comes to actual game play and preparing the team, if you've got the fundamentals down, your chances are much better.

Right now, this team is not adhering to one of the fundamentals -- play 4 complete quarters.

You misunderstood what I was saying. Gibbs didn't lose knowledge of football, but there is a period of adjustment to go through when you have been away from something for over a decade. That is an absolute fact. If Gibbs had coached in college or took a lesser coaching job in the NFL, then I would say there is no excuse; but that isn't the case.

The fundementals of football and the basics of how the game is played has not changed since that point. Each team still runs and passes the ball to score touchdowns. Rules have changed, however. Now, maybe defensive schemes have morphed into something a bit more complexed than what they were ten or fifteen years ago, but that is where Gibbs says that it is like him having to learn to coach all over again. He is taken his prior knowledge - knowledge he has not lost - and applying it to come up with tweaks in his system to counter the defensive schemes. So far for the most part - it has worked. But, the players have to do their jobs. Gibbs isn't committing holding penalities or personal fouls and Gibbs is not the one dropping the passes or fumbling.

This offense can score the points - it has proven that against the number one defense in the league - so if it is a point with Gibbs and his system being too old to work in this league, that is a bunch of B.S.

[That Guy]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

true but why does parcells win in his 1st or second year?????????

he went 10-6, then proceeded to go 6-10, it wa a wasted year cause he didn't bother getting talent between years 1 and 2 thinking his team was better than it actually was. most coaches come to a team and flop or put up bad records for years as they find their players... the bengals went 8-8 two years and now its finally paying off for them. Either your expectations were too high or patience is at a premium.

We're a MUCH better team than last year, and hopefully we'll be better next year and (with the help of a much easier schedule) win more games.

[railcon56]

[QUOTE=44deisel44]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Right.....I always say show me a good loser...I'll show you a loser! But come on now....2nd year for GIBBS.....Give me a break...We have improved. NUFF SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

If you were a salesman and u had improved but didnt meet ur quota what would happen to u??? improvement is fine ..but its not meeting the goals.... i think we can still make the playoffs and i pray we do.... i just dont like brunell sorry....and i want gibbs tougher but i love the man

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

If you were a salesman and u had improved but didnt meet ur quota what would happen to u??? improvement is fine ..but its not meeting the goals.... i think we can still make the playoffs and i pray we do.... i just dont like brunell sorry....and i want gibbs tougher but i love the man

The difference is that usually salepeople aren't expected to be a top salesman when they are still learning the ropes. I will give Gibbs more time to get reacclimated.

[railcon56]

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

The difference is that usually salepeople aren't expected to be a top salesman when they are still learning the ropes. I will give Gibbs more time to get reacclimated.

I posted in another thread that i would give gibbs one more year...but i havent given up on ramsey like so many others have and Mr Auburn wont be ready next year ...

[skinsguy]

[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]

Originally Posted by 44deisel44

If you were a salesman and u had improved but didnt meet ur quota what would happen to u??? improvement is fine ..but its not meeting the goals.... i think we can still make the playoffs and i pray we do.... i just dont like brunell sorry....and i want gibbs tougher but i love the man

What goals do you have for this team? Maybe the goals aren't realistic. By signing Gibbs to a five year deal, this tells me that Gibbs has five years to get this team turned around. I'm sure it's not going to take Gibbs all of those years to turn this team into a winner, but firing Gibbs after this season would be ignorant.

[railcon56]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Railcon, do you ever have anything positive to say about this team at all? I can understand being frustrated with having high expectations for this year and going through a three game slump, but come on man - I just don't understand this gloom and doom.

i think the defense played good enough to win last week i think carlos and a few others played well but positive ..hey last time i looked we have lost 3 in a row and are in danger of missing the playoffs once again thats not positive,,,poeple get used to losing not me no excuses if they want the players mr snyder will get them so it's all on them ..the coaches