Thoughts on Ramsey and Brunell...

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If Ramsey was given the chance to play more games this year everyone would be pissed that Ramsey was still in and Campbell was not playing. Our record would be much worse and we would still be thinking Brunell was all washed up.

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Ramsey got pleanty of starts sense we had him and we have never been 5-6..

oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

oh yeah what was his record after he took over under gibbs and that makes brunell worse he is a veteran as u said ...so is 5-6 good enough for u..he started good then his arm got tired ..hell i have seen him throw the ball awy on 3rd down in the 4th qtr...

5-6 is not good but my point is Ramsey did worse than that.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

The little things Brunell does is what Ramsey cannot do. For example brunell can scramble, and avoid the sack which has been key throughout the season. Also Brunell knows how to check down and find differet targets something Ramsey has always struggled with. Brunell is a veteran leader. Brunell can improvise on the run and turn a broken play into a first down, where Ramsey would have taken a sack or fired a bomb into the wind. These elements of Brunells game is something that you cannot teach and Ramsey will never be sucessful with out these tools. Take a look at Joey H. and David Carr. Im not saying Brunell is the MVP but hes the best we got right now. To continuely bash Brunell is getting a little old buddy. Your really showing you have no idea what your talking about.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

i think he is washed up... he is scared to throw u guys act like he is the MVP he throws a good 10 yard pass yes but can he throw it up? well he hasnt in awhile.. and when i saw Ramsey in that 1st game he looked very good He threw deep and crisp... and we were more wide open.... so dont say what ramsey can't do..

How many long passing plays do we have this year of 20 or more yards?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How many long passing plays do we have this year of 20 or more yards?

dunno but but last week we had 1 and we havent thrown it deep in a few weeks..even brian mitchell said that on sunday after the game throw it up..he is afraid to do that

[FirstandTen]

Patrick Ramsey's Carrier Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Career 475 854 5545 55.6 6.49 64 33 29 75 74.2

Mark Burnell This Years Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 202 349 2356 57.9 6.75 78 15 5 24 86.8


Those are FACTs..Nuff said

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Patrick Ramsey's Carrier Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Career 475 854 5545 55.6 6.49 64 33 29 75 74.2

Mark Burnell This Years Numbers
SPLIT CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2005 202 349 2356 57.9 6.75 78 15 5 24 86.8


Those are FACTs..Nuff said

show me his numbers under gibbs and like everyones saying gibbs has been so much better than spurrier i know this much even when he was younger he couldnt have taken the pounding that ramsey took...lets see some of his number from last year

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

show me his numbers under gibbs and like everyones saying gibbs has been so much better than spurrier i know this much even when he was younger he couldnt have taken the pounding that ramsey took...lets see some of his number from last year

Are u by chance related to Ramsey?

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Are u by chance related to Ramsey?

lol no i just think he has been here paid his dues ..and deserves his chance we need a spark and look at our record... i am loyal to the players that were here and suffered like lavar and ramsey ...and ...btw thanks for keeping it a debate and not calling names

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

show me his numbers under gibbs and like everyones saying gibbs has been so much better than spurrier i know this much even when he was younger he couldnt have taken the pounding that ramsey took...lets see some of his number from last year

Ramsey gp att comp % yds avy td lng INT rat
2004 9 169 272 62. 11665 6.1 10 51 11 74.8

Now do u want to see his pre-season stats???

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by FirstandTen

Ramsey gp att comp % yds avy td lng INT rat
2004 9 169 272 62. 11665 6.1 10 51 11 74.8

Now do u want to see his pre-season stats???

doesnt look that bad.. want him to have the gibbs advantage of a year under him..and no preaseason isnt any indication...we lost all our preseason games and won the superbowl..he looked crisp in the 1st game ...at least he isnt afraid to throw it

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

dunno but but last week we had 1 and we havent thrown it deep in a few weeks..even brian mitchell said that on sunday after the game throw it up..he is afraid to do that

No he is not affraid he just dosn't throw deep to throw deep and get a pick in double coverage like some QB's do.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by firstdown

No he is not affraid he just dosn't throw deep to throw deep and get a pick in double coverage like some QB's do.

a few things can happen so it gets picked off sometimes u get a pass interference and it also creates running room ..and the way our punter was punting sunday a 40 to 50 yard pass is better than he could do anyway... i think he cant do it cause of his old ass arm ..but he does throw a beautiful 10 yarder