Panthers Postgame sadness

[KI Skins Fan]

Great minds think alike. Like some previous posters, I too felt the shadow of Dan Snyder creep across RR's decision to keep Haskins in the game until it was too late to win. We could have won that game with even half-decent QB play from the start.

I don't think Snyder actually directs RR's coaching moves but I think he might be lobbying Rivera enough to erode RR's decisiveness. Could Rivera be caught between pleasing his dumb shit boss and doing what he knows is right?

[Chief X_Phackter]

I think there's zero chance Dan forced Ron to start Haskins, or is somehow pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Haskins played well enough in the second half of the Seattle game to get the nod, since Alex ultimately couldn't go. I'm convinced that RR and the coaching staff thought Haskins gave the team their best chance to win, and Haskins went out there and laid an absolute egg. It happens. No way they thought Heinicke would come in and show more than DH (against a softer defense, as has been pointed out). Maybe RR regrets not going to Heinicke earlier, or perhaps regrets starting Haskins at all, but hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it's hard to see a scenario where Haskins starts another game in the WFT uniform. If Haskins is starting next week, or even backing up the starter, then I'll start to question RR's decision making.

The gift TD on special teams, and the receivers' inability to catch the ball when it was actually put on them also didn't help. Collectively it wasn't a great day for the WFT (with the exception of the D - for the most part).

Gonna have to figure out a way to beat a better Philly team next Sunday night.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think there's zero chance Dan forced Ron to start Haskins, or is somehow pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Haskins played well enough in the second half of the Seattle game to get the nod, since Alex ultimately couldn't go. I'm convinced that RR and the coaching staff thought Haskins gave the team their best chance to win, and Haskins went out there and laid an absolute egg. It happens. No way they thought Heinicke would come in and show more than DH (against a softer defense, as has been pointed out). Maybe RR regrets not going to Heinicke earlier, or perhaps regrets starting Haskins at all, but hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it's hard to see a scenario where Haskins starts another game in the WFT uniform. If Haskins is starting next week, or even backing up the starter, then I'll start to question RR's decision making.

The gift TD on special teams, and the receivers' inability to catch the ball when it was actually put on them also didn't help. Collectively it wasn't a great day for the WFT (with the exception of the D - for the most part).

Gonna have to figure out a way to beat a better Philly team next Sunday night.

We basically typed the exact same thing at the same time, lol!

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think there's zero chance Dan forced Ron to start Haskins, or is somehow pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Haskins played well enough in the second half of the Seattle game to get the nod, since Alex ultimately couldn't go. I'm convinced that RR and the coaching staff thought Haskins gave the team their best chance to win, and Haskins went out there and laid an absolute egg. It happens. No way they thought Heinicke would come in and show more than DH (against a softer defense, as has been pointed out). Maybe RR regrets not going to Heinicke earlier, or perhaps regrets starting Haskins at all, but hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it's hard to see a scenario where Haskins starts another game in the WFT uniform. If Haskins is starting next week, or even backing up the starter, then I'll start to question RR's decision making.

The gift TD on special teams, and the receivers' inability to catch the ball when it was actually put on them also didn't help. Collectively it wasn't a great day for the WFT (with the exception of the D - for the most part).

Gonna have to figure out a way to beat a better Philly team next Sunday night.

I disagree on that . CAR has had a bunch of close games and they play in a tougher division then Philly, I think Philly is the easier win, IMO.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I disagree on that . CAR has had a bunch of close games and they play in a tougher division then Philly, I think Philly is the easier win, IMO.

I just meant better than the first game of the season, and better than they were with Wentz. I can't tell you if they are better than Carolina, probably a wash.

There's no easy win if your offense can't score more than 13 points. Philly will be ready to bounce this team from the playoffs, you can bet on that.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I think there's zero chance Dan forced Ron to start Haskins, or is somehow pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Haskins played well enough in the second half of the Seattle game to get the nod, since Alex ultimately couldn't go. I'm convinced that RR and the coaching staff thought Haskins gave the team their best chance to win, and Haskins went out there and laid an absolute egg. It happens. No way they thought Heinicke would come in and show more than DH (against a softer defense, as has been pointed out). Maybe RR regrets not going to Heinicke earlier, or perhaps regrets starting Haskins at all, but hindsight is 20/20.

That said, it's hard to see a scenario where Haskins starts another game in the WFT uniform. If Haskins is starting next week, or even backing up the starter, then I'll start to question RR's decision making.

The gift TD on special teams, and the receivers' inability to catch the ball when it was actually put on them also didn't help. Collectively it wasn't a great day for the WFT (with the exception of the D - for the most part).

Gonna have to figure out a way to beat a better Philly team next Sunday night.

Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.

Nah, starting DH was just the only decision to be made. DH was the best option for the team last night, he just played terribly. With the stripper incident, DH put Ron in an impossible position, but with the chance to win the division, you owe it to the rest of the team to start the guy you think gives you the best chance. Unfortunately with Alex out, that was DH. Honestly, if there was no stripper incident, the decision to start DH probably wouldn't have even be questioned.

You're not starting Heinicke over DH last night - period. Now that last night happened, it's a different story.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Nah, starting DH was just the only decision to be made. DH was the best option for the team last night, he just played terribly. With the stripper incident, DH put Ron in an impossible position, but with the chance to win the division, you owe it to the rest of the team to start the guy you think gives you the best chance. Unfortunately with Alex out, that was DH. Honestly, if there was no stripper incident, the decision to start DH probably wouldn't have even be questioned.

You're not starting Heinicke over DH last night - period. Now that last night happened, it's a different story.

Definitely agree, but there was a stripper incident, and I'd expect a coach to see if a player actually gives the team the best chance, or is going to be distracted on top of being a distraction.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Definitely agree, but there was a stripper incident, and I'd expect a coach to see if a player actually gives the team the best chance, or is going to be distracted on top of being a distraction.

I'm sorry, I just can't (won't) fault the coaching staff for starting Haskins, whose been here for two years, with this staff all year, played "decently" in spots including last week against Seattle, over a QB who was a backup in the XFL, whom they signed less than three weeks ago to be their quarantine QB (break in case of emergency guy).

Maybe he's the next Kurt Warner I don't know, but there really was no decision with regard to last night's game.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm sorry, I just can't (won't) fault the coaching staff for starting Haskins, whose been here for two years, with this staff all year, played "decently" in spots including last week against Seattle, over a QB who was a backup in the XFL, whom they signed less than three weeks ago to be their quarantine QB (break in case of emergency guy).

Maybe he's the next Kurt Warner I don't know, but there really was no decision with regard to last night's game.

The thing is even if he had played really well, there was still an argument to be made for making a statement about this whole culture change we keep hearing about.
And I hear the argument for giving your team the best chance vs establishing culture.

But there is a benefit/risk balance to be found in this decision IMO. And if there was any indication during the week that this was the kind of performance he could put out, then the balance shifts towards make a culture statement, because anyway he's not giving us that big of an upside right now.

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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Forcing and advocating for/asking to are different things.

I just have a hard time seeing how this coaching staff didn't see that Haskins still hadn't understood what it took to be an NFL QB, and/or was out of his shoes following the strippers incident and his punishment.

And I do agree he had a really good game against the Seahawks, including first half IMO. But starting him, and even more so not benching him earlier reeked of "I got to give this freakin' kid every single chance available and only bench him when there's no other choice"... which reeks of Snyder's influence.

He didn't have a good game against Seattle. He had a good quarter.