Haskins released

[Warthog]

The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Warthog

The release of Haskins frees Rivera to either draft for a franchise QB and/or pick up a very good QB in FA.

I just don’t see Rivera going with the FA route. He already has Alex Smith as the bridge to starting the franchise QB draft pick . Alex mentors the new QB and maybe even starts a few games next season.

The NFL QB situation has changed. QB need to be able to run - gaining 50-100 yards a game with runs, and another 200-300 yds with passing. The QB running ability is putting defenses on their heals. Better to get a rookie who has the running AND passing ability - who can be coached up and mentored by Alex Smith. Smith is a decent passer but his running ability is near zero now.

If Rivera views his future as 5-10 years as HC here, why go for a FA QB who might only last a couple years? Draft the franchise QB and use FA to fill obvious holes on the team.


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Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.

[Warthog]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.

For this season:
Play Alex Smith first but if he is not available then go to:

Plan B - Heinickle. He looked very good for his 9 minutes of play and I think he would be a decent substitute if Alex is still hurt. Obviously his play could have been a fluke, but frankly, I’d like to see more of him if Smith needs another week to recover.

Next Season: if the team wants to DRAFT a franchise hopeful QB, then they’ll need to TRADE UP. I’m NOT suggesting an RG3 Type deal to get to the second pick in the draft. I think you trade up to get to the third or fourth QB available. Maybe from 19th pick to 10th? Obviously a lot will depend on who Rivera likes at QB, and how many teams are looking for QB ahead of us in the draft.

My problem with going for a FA QB is the money issue. If you want someone like Dax, you’re going to have to commit to a
MASSIVE and long QB contract. He’s your man for better or worse. Do you get a Drew Breese type deal where he leads your team to victory over many seasons OR is it a Wentz-type situation with the Eagles, where they are committed to him and now are in the WORST Cap situation in the NFL next season.

Getting a high QB in the draft means he can be mentored by Alex Smith. He can be brought into Turners offense. I believe the Coaches & Scouts of the WFT can get us a franchise-level QB as long as SNYDER STAYS OUT OF IT.
Both Haskins and RG3 can be laid at the feet of Snyder.

Obviously, if Rivera wants a certain FA QB, then he has the cap money and power to get him. However, Rivera has built up the cap cash to the level that he can spread it to fill more than a few holes in the offense (WR, TE, OL) with very good FA. I believe his plan is to draft for the big holes and then fill in the rest with FA. But with just one FA QB signing Rivera could blow my theory right out of the water!!


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[Warthog]

[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1270806]Agreed but what if we do win the division, and maybe even a playoff game? Are we really likely to get a franchise QB in the bottom half of round 1? Do we get forced into trading up and giving up capital for other holes, or (imho) take BPA and hope a good QB development prospect falls to us in rd 2 or 3? I'd still keep the possibility of an FA QB on the table at least until we see what the draft allows us to pick up.[/





This season: Plan A - use Alex Smith as the starting QB, if he is ready.

Plan B: Heinickle at QB. He looked good for the 9 minutes he played. I’d like to see more from him IF Smith isn’t ready. Heinickle my be a flash in the pan, but he might be a valuable backup QB next year. He’s certainly a smart guy but we need to see if that helps him on the field.

Next season: the problem with going for a FA QB is that it could be very, very expensive. Dax wants a big, long-term contract. Not sure about Stafford. What situation do you end up with: the Drew Brees scenario where he leads your team to victory for the rest of his career OR do you end up with a Carson Wentz disaster. The Eagles have the WORST cap situation in the NFL in 2021. Trying to buy your way out of the Wentz deal is something like a $59 million cap hit!!!

If you go with the draft idea, I’m NOT Suggesting an RG3 type deal to get all the way up to the second spot in the draft. Maybe go from 19th to 9th to get the third or fourth draft pick Qb(?). It may not be possible because you have to like several mid-range QB and you have to figure correctly what teams want QB ahead of you. But with a QB picked in the #8-10 range, you don’t lose too much for the trade. Then the Qb can be mentored by Alex Smith and helped by using your very good cap money to get excellent WR and/or TE and/or OL.

The wild card is Dan Snyder. The Haskins and RG3 draft disasters can be laid directly at HIS FEET. I think Rivera & Kyle Smith and the scouts can choose an excellent QB in the draft, as long as Snyder stays out of it!

A lot of moving parts but it appears that Rivera can get a excellent QB in the draft, without trading away a boatload of future picks. He can also get the FA QB he wants, but it may cost the team their cap future.