WFT's Off-Season Thread

[AnonEmouse]

I like the way things are going so far, though I'm a little curious about all the FO movement. I'll wait and see how it shakes out and I'm cautiously optimistic.

Kyle Smith's situation is puzzling though, as I'd have thought he'd have been turfed out a while back if he and RR were not on the same page. Only scenario I cans see is that RR didn't think he had the credentials to be a GM and that's kind of validated by his sideways move to Atlanta.

I like we haven't made a crazy move at QB; I'd have been happy with Stafford but not for the stupid price the Rams went with. I'm more and more leaning towards going with Heinicke/Allen battling for starter (assuming Alex Smith retires/is cut), and draft a guys after round 1 that has potential but need development. Allen has the potential to keep us in contention if he has more weapons around him while a rookie shows what he can learn and then do later. Thinking about it, RR seems to trust Allen, so unless we can swing a palatable deal for Watson, I don't see a (valid) trade target or FA now with enough upside to go for.

It's now the dead zone of the offseason where nothing really happens until around mid March, so I'm quite happy if we stay out of the news for the next 3-4 weeks.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

I like the way things are going so far, though I'm a little curious about all the FO movement. I'll wait and see how it shakes out and I'm cautiously optimistic.

Kyle Smith's situation is puzzling though, as I'd have thought he'd have been turfed out a while back if he and RR were not on the same page. Only scenario I cans see is that RR didn't think he had the credentials to be a GM and that's kind of validated by his sideways move to Atlanta.

I like we haven't made a crazy move at QB; I'd have been happy with Stafford but not for the stupid price the Rams went with. I'm more and more leaning towards going with Heinicke/Allen battling for starter (assuming Alex Smith retires/is cut), and draft a guys after round 1 that has potential but need development. Allen has the potential to keep us in contention if he has more weapons around him while a rookie shows what he can learn and then do later. Thinking about it, RR seems to trust Allen, so unless we can swing a palatable deal for Watson, I don't see a (valid) trade target or FA now with enough upside to go for.

It's now the dead zone of the offseason where nothing really happens until around mid March, so I'm quite happy if we stay out of the news for the next 3-4 weeks.

I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.

I doubt those were his exact quotes. He would have been fired on the spot.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I doubt that Kyle Smith's exit had much to do with RR at all. I think he was as good as gone from the moment he told Dan Snyder in the crowded draft room that he (Snyder) didn't know jack shit about football when Snyder ordered that DH be drafted in the first round. From then on, he had zero chance of becoming the GM of the WFT, even if RR wanted him.

Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.

And probably a much messier departure. I don't understand why it seems so hard to accept that both RR and Smith seemed to have moved on. Both seem to have had a good working relationship, but RR wanted a GM who has been there done that, and Smith went somewhere that maybe he has a chance to move up. Smith's departure had NONE of the nastiness and backbiting that usually accompanied a BA or DS forced departure.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And probably a much messier departure. I don't understand why it seems so hard to accept that both RR and Smith seemed to have moved on. Both seem to have had a good working relationship, but RR wanted a GM who has been there done that, and Smith went somewhere that maybe he has a chance to move up. Smith's departure had NONE of the nastiness and backbiting that usually accompanied a BA or DS forced departure.

In my estimation, RR is an excellent people manager. The man is so smooth he doesn't make waves.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Possibly but then why not fire him before hiring RR and saying RR had the power now? If Snyder's ego/vindictiveness led to him leaving, I doubt it would take nearly 2 years for it to happen.

1. He was kept on because he has extraordinary ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does not have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would never be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

1. He was kept on because he has extraordinary ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does not have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would never be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.

where are you getting this info from

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by MTK

where are you getting this info from

Except for number 3, about which RR said in a news conference that it was Snyder's decision to approve executives titles, I made it up.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

1. He was kept on because he has extraordinary ability in identifying NFL talent.

2. As long as he stayed in his office watching film and making spreadsheets he could be tolerated because Snyder wanted the benefit of his extraordinary talent.

3. RR does not have all the powers he was promised by Snyder. That's right, I said Snyder lied to him to get him on board. It's a standard business practice. Did it ever happen to you? It happened to me.

4. Snyder didn't fire him but his punishment was that he would never be promoted to GM as long as Snyder owns the team.

I think you are missing the most obvious. Smith was cursed with the Kavorka and stepping on Dan's vibe.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think you are missing the most obvious. Smith was cursed with the Kavorka and stepping on Dan's vibe.

He better get that garlic necklace on asap!!

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I hear you lets celebrate the good times, very few around here.

I am just speaking to the over-excited that say we are a QB away from a dynasty; we are not.

Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.

[MissouriSkin]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.

So just out of curiosity...considering how decent the o line came on at the end of the year...why does everyone say we need to replace most of them? I’d take a LT at 19 if we can...have Lucas and Moses battle for RT and keep the other as swing backup. Have Schweitzer and the guy from LSU battle for LG...I mean you always go for depth, but do we REALLY need to replace 3 of the 5 guys urgently?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Agreed, we're a QB, WR, MLB, and 2-3 OL away. There are areas we could also do with reinforcing, but fixing those 5 or 6 (without damaging our strengths) would put us in a great position. Maybe we can't address all that in one offseason but nothing say's it's not a possibility.

No team has all the pieces all the time. That is where coaching and adjustments come in. One of the best parts of this year was the 2nd half adjustments in games. Admittedly, one of the worst parts was the 1st 15 minutes on both sides of the ball. Hopefully with a year of playing in the system under the teams belt they will start stronger.

[MTK]

So Snyder promoted Smith to VP of Player Personnel but was like that's as far as you're going in this organization mister. No more promotions for you.